• What a terrific audience.

  • I mean… you’d do yourself a huge favor by not having SS do your form 1. They’re really not that hard.

  • mart2224 replied to the topic Form 4 Individual in the forum Form 4 Questions 3 years ago

    If you’re assigning the entire process to randomness, my suggestion is to look at the scatter plot to get a better, more real assessment of the process. It’s not ideal, but it’s certainly not pure randomness.

  • You call as much as your little uneducated heart desires.

  • Entirely agree. How about this… Maybe we can all agree that if you do call, try to be kind to the ATF rather than jerks. They’re not the ones in charge. They are simply an agency enforcing a set of regulations. My experience with them is that, generally speaking, the people approving the forms don’t want yours to be held up, lost, or…[Read more]

  • Hi there, not an attorney, but in general, the $1 is to fund the trust to make it legal. Without funding, the trust would not be legally enforceable as you would technically have no property under it when it’s formed. You likely have that as a Schedule A. If you have an inventory list that’s not part of the trust document itself or not listed…[Read more]

  • The 4th… amendment… holy crap… you’re a genius. All this time, I’ve been talking to a genius. My point was to stop unnecessarily calling the ATF outside of a few circumstances because it’s pointless and potentially detrimental.. you brought up the 4th amendment. Neurons are firing on all cylinders on your end. Have a great weekend.

  • Math is your friend, and you don’t HAVE to be obtuse your whole life. These are choices that you can make.

  • You’re totally right, it’s just a sliding scale with no rhyme or reason, and there’s absolutely no reason for you to look into it deeper but to conclude that it’s simply random. You’re right, you simply can’t see this on the graph in the trends:

    3 months – expedited system that was taken away due to complaints
    8-10 months – standard wait time…[Read more]

  • There you go… doing the gun community another favor by showing that gun owners are so dumb as to call people ‘fucking retards.’ When people say, “we’re our own worst enemies in the gun community,” remember.. they’re referring to you. When gun legislation further limits our right to bear arms, remember that you’ve played a critical role in that…[Read more]

  • I think we’ve found the reason that the expedited process got removed: it’s the people who got butt hurt when someone indicated they shouldn’t call every week prior to the average wait time being achieved (this is excluding toonz who had a legitimate reason to call). Thanks guys! This forum was dry until someone indicated it might be…[Read more]

  • Seems reasonable, Mr. ‘Anyone who disagrees with me is a fudd’. You go ahead and call them every day/week until your heart is content because the system that you signed up for does exactly what it’s always been doing. Once that check gets cashed, my suggestion would be to call every 3-4 days, actually. I’ll bet they’ll have a change of heart…[Read more]

  • You’re probably the only one who has said anything reasonable here. I agree, if you’re pushing past the average time, you should call and verify. However, the people who call every week when they’re 4-6 mo in are certainly part of the problem. They’re the very people who complain that ‘some guy’ got his faster and that’s not fair. That helps…[Read more]

  • Yup, it couldn’t possibly be the people who call every week to verify when they’re 4-6mo in. It’s got to be the one who’s telling you to chill out until the average wait time is up. Hey, while you’re at it, make sure you call them and tell them how upset you are that they introduced an expedited process because yours didn’t make the cut. Make…[Read more]

  • That’d be a legitimate reason to call.

  • You know what was great… when I got the call from my dealer on my last form 4 and it was approved within the average time. And you know what was weird… that I never called the ATF once to ask about it’s status. It’s the strangest thing… it’s like… it just went into a pile on someone’s desk… and then the person finally got to it… and…[Read more]

  • Hey make sure you call up the ATF tomorrow, just to be sure it’s still pending like it was yesterday. Hey.. just curious… when you called them the last time, did they just tell you it was ‘pending’? Should probably call again to verify.

    The only fudd lore going on here is people believing that they should call over and over as if it somehow…[Read more]

  • Imagine a world where the only calls the ATF got were actually valid and not, “hey I’m approaching the normal wait time is mine approved yet??? is it yet?? is it yet??”… a world where that poorly run department doesn’t have to sift through 1000+ daily calls asking the same questions… a world where you call them when your application was…[Read more]

  • Right, because you know full well the approval time is 8-10 months and you definitely need to call them over and over before it’s actually late and ask “are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?” That’s the same mentality of the person who complains that others got through faster than you and gets an expedited system removed because…[Read more]

  • Everyone needs to stop calling the ATF around the 8-9 month mark on these. Good grief, guys. You can see the approval times on the graph. Unless you’re a bit outside of those times, just chill out and stop bothering them.

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