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  • #81377
    BMP
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    Long time listener, first time caller.
    Got several cans on order this week, figured I might as well go big.

    The guy at the shop shared some numbers but I am taking them with a huge grain of salt.

    He said:
    -The ATF currently processes 7.5k-10k applications a week.
    -For the first half of 2016, they received 250k applications
    -For the second half of 2016, they received 30k-50k applications. Same for the first half of 2017.

    I find it hard to believe only 60k-100k applications have been submitted in the past year, seems really low.

    Regardless, I am prepared for a long wait.

    I can believe it. My dealer said they went from selling 4-5 per salesman, per day to 4-5 for the entire month after 41F. It should speed up tremendously!

    Brad

    • #81380

      PIGSLAYA
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      Not to get off topic but it seems like the silencer manufacturers don’t have that big of a pie to go after and will struggle. I don’t know how big the non-consumer market is, though.

  • #81378

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    If they are processing them that quick all of 2016 should be done by the end of August. I highly doubt it will be though because everyone keeps basically quoting the ASA’s data and that didn’t seem to hold true either.

  • #81379

    bryan smith
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    My checked was cashed 9/2/2016 and was apporoved today 7/27/2017 for what its worth, things are finally moving forward.

  • #81381

    Mike
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    Hopefully they keep people doing overtime…would suck if they cut back once the stacks get smaller

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 12 months ago by  Mike.
    • #81383

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      I was thinking the same thing! You know our government, they never do the right thing.

      • This reply was modified 1 year, 12 months ago by  Guzzer59.
    • #81386

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      This is the million dollar question now….do they keep up at this rate or slow down now that they have gotten through the pre 41f boom. Even if they drop down to 3K-4K per week, times should still drop way down to maybe 2-3 months.

  • #81387

    munfro
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    according to their website they Processed 308563 NFA forms in the year of 2015. If you divide that by 52 they averaged roughly 6000 a week that year. you mean to tell me they more than doubled their staff and resources and cant even manage to double their approval rate a week? src=”https://www.atf.gov/n/n/n/sites/default/files/media/2017/05/number_of_nfa_forms_processed_by_fy.jpg” alt=”” />

  • #81388

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    God. Anyday now. Form 3 on my can beginning of may took almost 3mts, so my form 4 didnt go pending until 8 aug. Still waiting…

  • #81411

    Dane
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    Ok, called friday and got transferred to an examiner. She said they sent an error letter to my dealer on the 20th, he confirmed that it was received yesterday. I knew what the error was (need a form for my wife reaffirming she isnt a felon alien who batters children while snorting coke). What would be nice is if we could amend or add these forms ahead of time – i realized the mistake back in November and called them to fix it, but they said i couldnt until a doc examiner already looked at my forms and sent an error letter. Such an inefficient system.

  • #81417

    BRanger
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    Did all my paperwork with Silencer Shop. First time NFA buyer.
    Purchase: 02/14/17
    Forms sent: 02/17/17
    Check cashed: 03/21/17
    Form 3 was disposed: 06/26/17
    Pending date according to the ATF: 03/23/18
    Real approval date:??/??/??
    Stamp in hand:??/??/??
    Hopes this helps some of ya’ll who sent in a Form 4 at the beginning of 2017.

  • #81418

    chevrofreak
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    My girlfriend called yesterday about her 9/5/16 pending Form 4 Individual for a Silencerco Hybrid and was told her application was approved 7/19/17. The stamp hasn’t arrived at the dealer yet.

    Stamp came in yesterday the 29th.

  • #81420

    Eaglearcher20
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    Approvals seem to be all over the place right now. I’ve seen August and September approvals, but some people are still waiting with July dates. Crazy.

  • #81456

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    SiCo Omega. Purchased early September. Check Cashed 10/4/16. Called today to check the status and was told it was approved on 7/29/17. Will update the tracker when I have the stamp in hand.

    • #81458

      Zach
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      Forgot to mention this was an individual Form 4

      • #81459

        Mike
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        uhg, 10/19 hurry lol. Mines a trust but only 2 people…can’t take THAT long

  • #81463

    Guzzer59
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    Just a thought. Are they processing individual applications quick than trust? Or people filled more individual applications because of the new 41f requirements?

  • #81469

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    Just a thought. Are they processing individual applications quick than trust? Or people filled more individual applications because of the new 41f requirements?

    Always have been over the last year. Previous to that trusts were quicker (2 years ago and previous) That is why it is so important to not simply post, but to update the data base. Individual approvals have traditionally been 60-90 faster than trusts. It is also why it is so important to make sure when you do enter into the data base that you make sure you enter the data in the right category. Posts are using “one of” type of approvals where the data base will give you a trend. Overlay the individual and trust information on the transfer track and you will see the difference.

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 11 months ago by  chorizo.
  • #81562

    454Casull
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    First timer here, but after following the tracker thought it was time to join and give some info.

    Form 4 individual

    OSS BPR2 7GV and Desert Tech DTSS .338

    Send in: 09/01/2016
    Check cashed: 09/22/2016
    Approved: 07/28/2017
    Stamp at dealer: 08/03/2017

    • #81567

      stevep
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      be sure to update the tracker

    • #81573

      Zach
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      454Casull, where are you from? I’m curious about how long stamp shipping takes. I was approved a day after you.

  • #81564

    Randal
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    Bought suppressor from Silencer shop Aug 3,2016. It’s a form 4 via a trust by silencer shop. Check cashed on Oct 21, 2016. When should I expect it? Seems every time I call atf for a followup it keeps increasing in time.

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    • #81568

      stevep
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      at best i would say a month but its hard to tell right now

  • #81575

    Hankers20
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    I see a lot of the form 4 individuals being approved, but what about the form 4 trusts being approved? I have not seen very many approvals for those. Could it be that more people went the individual route instead of the trust route? I have can that I with a check cashed date in Jan 2017. I am hoping I get approved before hunting season.

  • #81579

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    Hate to tell you this Hankers20, Unless some magic happens at the ATF you don’t have much of a chance for this hunting season unless you are hunting October, November or December. My check cashed 10/31/2016 and I still haven’t gotten it yet. I am hoping it comes before my end of September hunting season.

  • #81581

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    Just an update from my call today for a status on two submissions.
    Form 4 submitted the 3rd week of Aug 2016 is still pending and its looking like Sept 2017 for approval.
    Form 1 submitted the 3rd week of Sept 2016 is still pending and I was told it would likely be Oct 2017 for approval.
    If this hold true then I am looking at 13 months from submission to approval and getting past 41F craze is not speeding thing up as some might think. I suspect that there was a large number of submissions from the pre 41f forms that are having to be corrected and resubmitted. These are likely going to the top of the pile as they come back in and slowing the process.
    I guess one way to look at this is that I will be getting some early Christmas gifts this year:)

    • #81585

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      I have a feeling we’ll see them approved before then. I really can’t imagine them taking that long – unless the ATF reduces the # of people doing approvals. that’s essentially the same time frame as pre-41. we’ll see though.

  • #81591

    454Casull
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    Zach, I am in Wyoming.

  • #81595

    Yankeefan98121
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    Just an update from my call today for a status on two submissions.
    Form 4 submitted the 3rd week of Aug 2016 is still pending and its looking like Sept 2017 for approval.
    Form 1 submitted the 3rd week of Sept 2016 is still pending and I was told it would likely be Oct 2017 for approval.
    If this hold true then I am looking at 13 months from submission to approval and getting past 41F craze is not speeding thing up as some might think. I suspect that there was a large number of submissions from the pre 41f forms that are having to be corrected and resubmitted. These are likely going to the top of the pile as they come back in and slowing the process.
    I guess one way to look at this is that I will be getting some early Christmas gifts this year:)

    Unfortunately I fall in the “I suspect that there was a large number of submissions from the pre 41f forms that are having to be corrected and resubmitted. These are likely going to the top of the pile as they come back in and slowing the process.” I met with my dealer, signed where I missed a signature and off it went Wednesday (8/2/17) overnight back to the atf. Was also told that in these cases that my dealer had to send back any F4 for any reason that the turn around time was 7-10 days. My cock is getting hard just thinking about fondeling my addition, but I’ll update on reality when I actually have it in my hands.
    F4 trust
    Colorado
    Check cash date 08/09/16

  • #81661

    Dane
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    Oct? Jan? Thats cute… My check was cashed 8aug, still pending. And i had to form 3 it first which took just shy of 90 days.

  • #81662

    Mike
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    Someone on reddit posted a 10/18 approval

  • #81721

    Dnut
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    Someone on reddit posted a 10/18 approval

    Ok, was that a form 4 Indv. Or form 4 trust? And its Reddit. Im a LOT skeptical about anything posted there. Just saying…

  • #81758

    Frijole Breeze
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    Speed picking up? Maybe?

    Suppressor (trust) purchased 10/27/16
    Check cashed 11/10/16
    Per call to NFA this morning, was approved yesterday 8/10/17 (you could tell by his tone he was surprised)!

    Still waiting on a Form 1 trust from 8/4/16 … operator said they’re just starting to get into August.

    • #81996

      Frijole Breeze
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      It’s home! Dealer received stamp 8/17, processed and released 8/18.

  • #81771

    Dnut
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    Speed picking up? Maybe?

    Suppressor (trust) purchased 10/27/16
    Check cashed 11/10/16
    Per call to NFA this morning, was approved yesterday 8/10/17 (you could tell by his tone he was surprised)!

    Still waiting on a Form 1 trust from 8/4/16 … operator said they’re just starting to get into August.

    Well congratulations, seems you have hit the daily NFA lotto. Because i know more ppl still waiting on July 16 Form 4’s than i have hair on my head. Plus my two F-4’s, cashed in mid Oct.16. So leave this stricken place and go have fun. After you update the graph, PLEASE. ?

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