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  • #101042

    RA
    Participant
    • Posts: 6
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    SilencerCo Omega 300
    Silencer Shop – Single Shot Trust – 1 RP
    Purchased – 7/15/2018
    Check Cashed – 8/1/2018
    Approved – 7/5/19
    Stamp in Hand – ?

    338 days from check cashing to approval.

    • #104235

      RA
      Participant
      • Posts: 6
      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      SilencerCo Omega 300
      Silencer Shop – Single Shot Trust – 1 RP
      Purchased – 7/15/2018
      Check Cashed – 8/1/2018
      Approved – 7/5/19
      Stamp in Hand – ?

      338 days from check cashing to approval.

      Stamp in hand 7/15/19

  • #102107

    Obiwang
    Participant
    • Posts: 5
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Surefire Socom SB
    Silencer shop, 1 person trust
    Check cashed-7/30/18
    Approved-7/5/18
    Stamp in Hand-???
    340 days from check cashing to approval
    at least it’s coming in a couple of weeks, right?

  • #104153

    Danglang
    Participant
    • Posts: 3
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Silencerco hybrid
    Purchased:7-3-2018
    Check cashed:7-24-2018
    Approved:6-24-2019
    Stamp in hand:7-9-3019
    372 from purchase date to stamp in hand.
    Dealer received the approval Saturday and was closed Sunday and Monday and was getting ready to call the received approvals but I called when I got off of work to see if they received it.
    Now the wait for the free octane

    • #104154

      BPagel
      Participant
      • Posts: 2
      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      You still haven’t received your Silencerco free suppressor, the one they promised would be delivered last month?

      • #104168

        Danglang
        Participant
        • Posts: 3
        Join Date: 10/12/2016

        Yes it was received, I was just stating that I moved on to the next wait

  • #104170

    Brandon
    Participant
    • Posts: 1
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Sent in 7/1/18
    Received 7/31/18
    And finally approved 7/5/19
    I called today on 7/9/19 and they told me I was approved on 7/5/19 I’ve called every other week for the last 3 months and never gave me anything other than pending and we are delayed due to gov shit down.. now waiting for the Dealer to call that it’s in hand and come pick her up

  • #104185

    lkwan78
    Participant
    • Posts: 1
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Dang I’m seeing lots of people are getting their approvals when they bought their can in June or July of 18 and is being approved in 350 days.

    My can has been in jail for 419 days!

    I’ll call the atf tomrrow and hopefully they have better news!

  • #104208

    Optman09
    Participant
    • Posts: 6
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    SilencerCo Omega 300
    Silencer Shop – 2 person trust
    Purchased – 7/02/2018
    Check Cashed – 7/29/2018
    Approved – 7/5/19
    Stamp in Hand – 7/13/19

    Promo octane 9hd from summer promo
    F3 to dealer – 06/25/2019
    Check cashed – 07/09/19
    The wait continues

  • #104273

    thomas88
    Participant
    • Posts: 1
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Purchased suppressor from Silencer Shop via a Trust – 7/16/2018
    ATF Check Cashed – 7/31/2018

    Called the ATF yesterday, 7/18/19. I was told it was “Pending”. I politely asked several different ways if there was anything else they could check, if there was any other information, or anything I needed to do. I was met with obstinate silence, and “no”.

    This morning (one day later) my FFL sent me an email with an attached ATF “returned” letter dated 7/10/19 indicating Field 9, the Transferor signature, was invalid. It had been signed by a Silencer Shop rep, just like my last Form 4 was from Silencer Shop a couple years ago. When I called Silencer Shop about this, they indicated the laws changed back in July of 2018 such that the ATF would no longer accept the original seller’s signature, it now had to be the Transferor, in other words the FFL.

    Silencer Shop was helpful in resending docs via DocuSign to both me and my FFL for signatures, and indicated they would send them back to the ATF with the original rejection letter. They indicated turn around has historically been about 30 days or this type of situation.

    Notes:
    1) It’s been a week shy of a year since the ATF cashed my check.
    2) Apparently it is pointless to call them, because apparently all they do is ensure you have a form in their system and then tell you it is “Pending”, regardless if there is any sort of problem with it.

    Has anyone actually received any USEFUL information when calling the ATF???

  • #104276

    funkeruski
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    • Posts: 3
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    SilencerCo Hybrid
    One Person Trust
    Purchased: 7/15/18
    Check Cashed: 8/13/18
    Approved: 7/18/19
    Stamp in Hand: ?

  • #104288

    Simon
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    • Posts: 7
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    I just got out of the FBI background check “black hole”. Some advice:
    + If you have an arrest record but no corresponding disposition on record (i.e., if charges were dropped, sealed, etc.) and your are not disqualified, call the ATF, speak to your examiner, and volunteer to send him/her proof of disposition (usually a sealed certificate that can be obtained at the courthouse your case was heard). If this is your situation, this may be the only way to get out of the black hole.
    + Continue to call your examiner every 2 weeks or so. When they tell you the FBI has passed your check due to the documents you sent in, ask the examiner kindly if they can approve any other pending Forms 4 in the system at this same time. If you ask nice enough and your examiner is kind enough, they’ll do it for you.
    + In my experience, contacting Congresspeople did not do much, YMMV.

    Here’s data for 4 recently cleared:

    F4 Suppressor
    One Person Trust
    Check Cashed: 04/16/18
    Approved: 05/24/19
    Days Cashed to Approved: 403 days

    F4 SBR
    One Person Trust
    Check Cashed: 05/07/18
    Approved: 05/29/19
    Days Cashed to Approved: 387 days

    F4 Suppressor
    One Person Trust
    Check Cashed: 06/25/18
    Approved: 06/03/19
    Days Cashed to Approved: 343 days

    F4 Suppressor
    One Person Trust
    Check Cashed: 06/30/18
    Approved: 06/11/19
    Days Cashed to Approved: 346 days

  • #104304

    Gddean
    Participant
    • Posts: 15
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Three cans in trust
    Check cash date 7/26/2018
    Approval 7/12/2019
    Dealer received stamps 7/20/2019
    In hand 7/22 way to long, but to rub salt in the wound, still waiting on my free Silencerco 22lr can. A week ago I had to have my dealer send them a copy of his license again. But the biggest rub is still no serial number to start the building paperwork. This is insane.

  • #104317

    Obiwang
    Participant
    • Posts: 5
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    1 can in 1 person trust
    Check cashed 7/30/18
    Approval 7/5/19
    Stamp in hand ???????
    19 days and still waiting, come on alphabet bois, ship my papers.

    • #104346

      Obiwang
      Participant
      • Posts: 5
      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      1 can in 1 person trust
      Check cashed 7/30/18
      Approval 7/5/19
      Stamp in hand ???????
      19 days and still waiting, come on alphabet bois, ship my papers.

      Got the call right after my post lol, alphabet bois must be watching

  • #104318

    DBLJ
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    • Posts: 13
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Not for me- 550 days as of 7/24/19. Stamp check cashed 1/20/18.

  • #104327

    Scott
    Participant
    • Posts: 4
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Form 4 Trust, 1 RP (Silencer Shop “Single Shot Trust” from kiosk)
    Thunder Beast Arms 223A

    Purchase: 07/05/2018
    Paperwork at ATF: 07/19/2018
    Check cash: 07/28/2018
    Approval: 07/07/2019
    Stamp arrived at LGS: 07/15/2019
    Suppressor retrieved from LGS: 07/15/2019

    “Check-Cash-to-Approval” time: 344 days
    “Start-to-Finish” time: 375 days

    I think I’m staying out of this game for a bit. The waits are just too ridiculous.

  • #104546

    TrooperBrian
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    • Posts: 50
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    If it makes anyone feel better, Idaho is among half the states still using Prohibition Era liquor laws. The most recent liquor license that was issued in some of the smaller counties was applied for in 1971. The original applicant died and willed his spot in line to his children, who received the license in 2019. A total of 48 years later.

    It could be worse.

  • #104548

    Ben
    Participant
    • Posts: 5
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Q Thunder Chicken
    Check Cashed 9/13/18
    Approved 8/8/19
    At LGS ?

  • #104549
    Chris
    Chris
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    • Posts: 77
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Has anyone with a trust been approved that’s been pending since October 2018 yet?

    • #104559

      Trent
      Participant
      • Posts: 3
      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      Check cashed for Form 4 Trust Oct 3 2018, was still pending last week when I called ATF, waiting another week before calling back again when it’s closer the the 11 month mark.

      • #104560
        Chris
        Chris
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        • Posts: 77
        Join Date: 10/12/2016

        Damn

      • #104571

        DBLJ
        Participant
        • Posts: 13
        Join Date: 10/12/2016

        1/20/18 stamp check cash date.

        Now 572 days. And waiting.

        • #104688
          Chris
          Chris
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          • Posts: 77
          Join Date: 10/12/2016

          That’s some bullshit

    • #104562

      Texheim
      Participant
      • Posts: 3
      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      Purchased 8/22/18 SS Trust, 1 RP approved 8/8/19; waiting for stamp.

    • #104577

      JohnSleik
      Participant
      • Posts: 3
      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      Not me…Check cashed 9/5/2018
      Called Monday, 8/12/2019 – Still pending

      2 cans/2 Form 4s
      Both SS trusts, one RP on each

  • #104590

    dtp
    Participant
    • Posts: 77
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Man, these wait times are getting absurd. Worse than the 41f and previous election. What gives? Have a couple cans in flight, but from early this year. Sounds like over a year wait is the norm now?

  • #104598

    hbar13
    Participant
    • Posts: 1
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Omega 9K (very first silencer)
    Silencer Shop Trust (1 person)
    Purchased: 9/7/2018
    Cashed: 10/22/2018
    Days since purchased: 342…
    Days since cashed: 297…
    NFA Tracker: off by ~40 days…

    6 total NFA items pending.

    Regardless of the government shutdown, the data is supposed to be a rolling tally. It doesn’t seem to be updating. Calling next week at 50 weeks.

    • This reply was modified 1 month ago by  hbar13.
  • #104601

    Ben
    Participant
    • Posts: 5
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    The 3 month avg wait is more accurate 313 days cashed to approved. So you’re still 16 ish days away.

  • #104611

    Ben
    Participant
    • Posts: 5
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Q Thunder Chicken
    Check Cashed 9/13/18
    Approved 8/8/19
    At LGS 8/16/19

  • #104612

    Buster McNutt
    Participant
    • Posts: 2
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    SilencerCo Sparrow
    Silencer Shop Trust (2 persons)
    Purchased: 9/1/2018
    Cashed: 9/7/2018
    Approved: 8/6/2019
    Stamp at dealer: 8/10/2019

    Days since check cashed: 333 days

    I was a total idiot and didn’t check my voicemail until today. It had been ready to go for 6 days.
    I just purchased a Rebel 44 suppressor today too. *Raises glass* Here’s to another 333 days!

    • #104614

      NaterTater
      Participant
      • Posts: 3
      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      This is getting me anxious. If your timeline is right I should be getting my Trust for my OSS can here real soon. 9-18-18 for start 10-9-18 for cashed check. It took them a while to get things rolling at SilencerShop. I hope I get that call soon.

      • This reply was modified 1 month ago by  NaterTater.
      • This reply was modified 1 month ago by  NaterTater.
      • #104625

        Trent
        Participant
        • Posts: 3
        Join Date: 10/12/2016

        Let me know, mine was purchased in August check cashed Oct 3, so assuming we’ll both be close to same approval time unless something is wrong. 👍

        • #104637

          NaterTater
          Participant
          • Posts: 3
          Join Date: 10/12/2016

          Right on. I will be posting when I get it and tax stamp in hand.

  • #104649

    Cheney
    Participant
    • Posts: 12
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    In a whim last Friday I called the DNA to check my status. Learned I had been approved 8/14, haven’t heard from dealer yet, no surprise, but there’s definitely light at the end of the tunnel. In a travel cycle but will leave for a few days to pick up can as soon as they call

    YHM ULT
    Purchased 9/14/18
    Check cashed 9/28/18
    Approved 8/14/19
    Dealer ???

    Single person trust

  • #104653

    B-Man
    Participant
    • Posts: 1
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    ThunderBeast TD22 Form 4 Individual

    Purchased 6-10-19

    Check Cashed 7-3-19

    ……the wait begins……..

  • #104666

    amishT
    Participant
    • Posts: 1
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Silencerco Omega 300 through SilencerShop
    purchased 6/30/18

    Serial Number assigned 7/13/18

    Cash checked 9/17/18 (silencershop said they waited to send in my form 4 due to new regulations regarding the dealer signature, hence why the two months between form 4 being started and the check being mailed in September)

    Disapproved 8/16/18 due to dealer signature issue
    When I called and found out everything today I was told I have to resubmit everything and go back to the end of the queue. I was also told several forms are now being disapproved because dealers were signing with a preset signature/typed font and they are no longer allowing that. Almost 14 months wasted.

    • #104685

      JakAU78
      Participant
      • Posts: 13
      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      Man that sucks….I made my purchase from SS on 7/27/18, check cashed on 9/13/18. I asked SS why it took 6 weeks to get my check cashed and they said it was due to some issues about the dealer signature….hope mine does not get caught in that trap.

    • #104691

      JakAU78
      Participant
      • Posts: 13
      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      amishT,

      check out thomas88’s post towards the top of this page….

  • #104686

    JakAU78
    Participant
    • Posts: 13
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    DA Sandman S
    Silencer Shop Trust (2 persons)
    Purchased: 7/27/2018
    Cashed: 9/13/2018
    Still Pending as of 8/12/19

    Please tell me it is worth the wait!!! I will be pretty disappointed if I have to go to the back of the line over the dealers signature!

    I am currently trying to convince my wife to let me buy a 22 Mask and Sandman Ti but she has a hard time rationalizing fronting $1600 since I have not even received my original purchase of over 11 months ago.

    • #104687
      Chris
      Chris
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      • Posts: 77
      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      Do you have anything in your background? What do you mean dealer signature?

      • #104690

        JakAU78
        Participant
        • Posts: 13
        Join Date: 10/12/2016

        I have never been arrested, my only interaction with law enforcement would have been a speeding ticket from about 6-7 years ago, which was promptly paid…..obviously there is no rhyme or reason to the order, I was told last week by the Silencer Shop compliance department there are are boxes and boxes of applications sitting at the NFA waiting to be assigned to an examiner. Then there is the FBI black hole….which I am sure is riddled with inefficacy, lack of motivation and a shear overwhelming of applications. I read online tonight that there was approximately 184,312 Form 4 applications for 2017, which does not include all the other form types. Does anyone know how many examiners there are? I don’t think it would bother me that much but this is my fist can. Probably going to give it till the 1 year make and then call my senator….

      • #104693

        JakAU78
        Participant
        • Posts: 13
        Join Date: 10/12/2016

        The below was copied from thomas88…..this is the same issue that was relayed to me by SS. My original submittal was delayed due to this “ATF rule change”

        This morning (one day later) my FFL sent me an email with an attached ATF “returned” letter dated 7/10/19 indicating Field 9, the Transferor signature, was invalid. It had been signed by a Silencer Shop rep, just like my last Form 4 was from Silencer Shop a couple years ago. When I called Silencer Shop about this, they indicated the laws changed back in July of 2018 such that the ATF would no longer accept the original seller’s signature, it now had to be the Transferor, in other words the FFL.

    • #104689
      Chris
      Chris
      Participant
      • Posts: 77
      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      I have a 2 person trust, waiting on the sand man S also. I went pending November 5th 2018, so going on 10 months.

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