Form 4 Trust

[Chris L.Participant Posts: 1 Join Date: 07/15/2018]

Purchased 09-15-2017
Check cashed 10-17-2017

And, Ive been in FBI pending limbo ever since. Looks like Im one of the fortunate few whom get to wait over a year. Is there a hat or club..? Something along those lines so we can console one another in our safe spaces? lol

[HierParticipant Posts: 2 Join Date: 07/15/2018]

I was just informed I am also in that club. If you read some sites they say it could be a month and others whenever!

[ChrisParticipant Posts: 69 Join Date: 07/15/2018]

Ok guys so I just got off the phone with Ashley who’s apparently my examiner for my most recent form 4, and she said that I was delayed. Which is interesting since I don’t have anything that would disqualify me from purchasing and nfa item or firearm I’m general. I also have my concealed carry permit and in Wyoming you go through a federal background check to get it! She told me that when you get a concealed carry permit there’s a and I forgot the name, but a number attached to it and it could sometime delay you while they look into it. Anyone know or have heard of this?

[Mike_AnthonyParticipant Posts: 8 Join Date: 07/15/2018]

When your prints were submitted for your Wyoming carry permit, it could have created a rap back file with your biometric identifiers. It’s possible that your state wants to be notified if you are arrested in another state, so they can revoke your permit due to you becoming ineligible or prohibited…something like this could easily cause a delay in your background check.

• This reply was modified 2 months ago by  Mike_Anthony.

[ChrisParticipant Posts: 69 Join Date: 07/15/2018]

I guess that makes sense, but I haven’t been arrested in another state. Well once I’n colorado but that didn’t get me delayed last time for my sbr

[Mike_AnthonyParticipant Posts: 8 Join Date: 07/15/2018]

The rap back would only be used by your state to continuously monitor your background just in case you get arrested, they would be alerted immediately. I am not sure if Wyoming subscribes to this service, but other states such as Hawaii does.

[ChrisParticipant Posts: 69 Join Date: 07/15/2018]

I’m not sure either but that makes since. Now I guess it’s just a waiting game. The examiner said I could aleal it and get a number to make it faster next time, but I’m not sure if I’m going to do that or not. Hopefully it’s not delayed forever

[Mike_AnthonyParticipant Posts: 8 Join Date: 07/15/2018]

Unfortunately, the FBI has stated recently that they will not process appeals or issue UPINs for delayed or erroneously denied NFA NICS checks. This issue is currently being addressed in a lawsuit brought by the Stamboulieh Law Firm, on behalf of multiple plaintiffs. The case is Umbert et al v. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA et al. This firm has successfully sued over denied NICS checks in the past, Mr Stamboulieh is also the attorney who recently had the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals strike down the open carry bans which affected gun owners in Hawaii, California etc,.. If you believe that you are having a real issue with your NFA transfer, I would advise calling him or emailing him. The only way to resolve these types of issues is by suing the government and forcing them via a court order to correct their mistakes. If I run into problems with the transfers I am currently waiting on, he will definitely be the first person I call.

[ChrisParticipant Posts: 69 Join Date: 07/15/2018]

I mean there’s still no reason for me to be denied it just looks like it’s going to be a waiting game right? Just because you’re delayed doesn’t mean you’re denied or am I missing something? Don’t they have an amount of time they need to get back to you, they can’t ijst sit in your stamp when you paid the 200 fuckikg dollars can they! That’s bullshit! What’s the number to that place?

• This reply was modified 2 months ago by  Chris.

[Mike_AnthonyParticipant Posts: 8 Join Date: 07/15/2018]

Unlike a typical gun purchase that takes place at an FFL, there is no established amount of time in which the NICS must be completed for NFA items. A delay is not a denial, it simply means that there are records which need to be examined further to ensure that the person is not prohibited. This not only includes criminal history data, but can also include incomplete or missing data, duplicate entries, prior military service, immigration status, pattern of drug use, mental health etc,.

• This reply was modified 2 months ago by  Mike_Anthony.
• This reply was modified 2 months ago by  Mike_Anthony.

[Jeff McDowellParticipant Posts: 1 Join Date: 07/15/2018]

My check was cashed for my Form 4 Trust on 3/11/2018. I was approved by the ATF ON 9/15/2018. I got the call today that my Tax Stamp is in.

[gmanParticipant Posts: 5 Join Date: 07/15/2018]

2 rp trust. 2nd purchase in 3 years. Check cashed 11/13/17…got call from dealer “stamp is in” yesterday. 10 months 15 days. Looking forward to range time with my m4!

[greg1147Participant Posts: 5 Join Date: 07/15/2018]

Lets see 70 now, good thing mine is in a trust probably be dead by the time I see it. LOL Guess all the agents are on the Kavenaugh case now as the scatter graph with all little blue triangles c
shows nothing for the last three months. Pure bureaucracy BS at it’s best.

[JKemlerParticipant Posts: 2 Join Date: 07/15/2018]

The scatter graph is accurate. The triangles are check cash dates, so when they say March it means that checks cashed in March are coming back.

[Bryan HenckeParticipant Posts: 1 Join Date: 07/15/2018]

Single person trust. Check cashed 3/23/18. Approved 10/12/18. 205 days. I called NFA every Thursday for the past four weeks. Customer service said the application was “pending” each time I called. The week prior to approval I asked if the application went to the FBI yet and he replied that it had not. The next week I was approved. So apparently the FBI background check can be a quick process. Sounds like once the application is picked up by a processor it gets worked quickly. Hope this helps.

[greg1147Participant Posts: 5 Join Date: 07/15/2018]

Now I am totally confused, I thought the FBI check was what took such a extended period of time. So is the examiner the one with all the paper work on their desk continually sorting through the applications. And is a Form 4 Trust and a Form 4 to Dealer as a trust faster or slower? I have been confused since the start of this whole process, scatter graphs, bar graphs, I thought I was somewhat intelligent, guess not.
Greg

[JKemlerParticipant Posts: 2 Join Date: 07/15/2018]

The FBI Background check IS what takes the most time, but its not the actual check. The background check they do is exactly the same a NICS uses when you purchase a firearm. The delay is in the lack of priority and no sense of urgency for the FBI to process them, so it’s basically “when they get around to it”.

[JamesParticipant Posts: 13 Join Date: 07/15/2018]

What really gets me mad is how in the are people getting checks cashed in March and getting approved in September and October is u real! When people are waiting 300 plus days! Its total b.s.

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