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  • #105975

    Frankb3
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    Check cashed 11/8/19 called today just to see if it is pending. Guy said it is pending so I asked what that means and he said now you wait 10 months for approval…..

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  • #105984

    slyhuntr
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    hybrid purchased 3/3/19
    Form mailed 3/5/19, delivered 3/7/19
    Check cashed 3/12/19
    Notified today by Dealer.
    Stamp approved 11/20/19
    In hand 12/2/19

    Contacted ATF about 2 weeks ago was told not to expect it until mid January.

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  • #105995

    mart2224
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    Everyone needs to stop calling the ATF around the 8-9 month mark on these. Good grief, guys. You can see the approval times on the graph. Unless you’re a bit outside of those times, just chill out and stop bothering them.

    • #105998

      Mitch
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      Ya cause god forbid people check on the status of a product they paid for and haven’t received in 8 months. If they don’t want people to call they can get rid of the direct line

      • #106002

        mart2224
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        Right, because you know full well the approval time is 8-10 months and you definitely need to call them over and over before it’s actually late and ask “are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?” That’s the same mentality of the person who complains that others got through faster than you and gets an expedited system removed because ‘it’s not fair.’ The process is the process and you should know that before you actually spend the money. “Hey everyone, I signed up for an 8-10 month process for a suppressor… but I’m still going to complain the whole time and call the ATF hotline just to hear Doris inform me that it’s ‘pending’ every single time and to call back in a few months.” There’s a reason you basically cannot get to your examiner now: it’s because people whose applications were not actually late kept calling and trying to speak to their examiner. So, now they just give you the front desk, and make a policy for Doris to tell you it’s ‘pending’ each time because those types of calls are a waste of their time and your time. Also, and just a little FYI here… You know the reason we still can have suppressors? The NFA. You know what would have happened if we didn’t have suppressors on the NFA? They’d have been banned completely long ago after a few were used in high profile shootings. So, just get over it and if your application is actually getting rather late, that’s when you call.

        • #106009

          Mitch
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          There’s absolutely nothing wrong with calling and checking. That’s why they have the damn line. Quite sucking the the nuts of the worst ran branch of the government

          • #106010

            mart2224
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            Imagine a world where the only calls the ATF got were actually valid and not, “hey I’m approaching the normal wait time is mine approved yet??? is it yet?? is it yet??”… a world where that poorly run department doesn’t have to sift through 1000+ daily calls asking the same questions… a world where you call them when your application was actually held up and they might actually transfer you to your examiner… you’re right though, it seems perfectly valid to call and check the status when all they’re going to tell you is, “it’s pending please call back in a few months.” That doesn’t seem like a waste of your time or the ATF’s. On the flip side, you could just wait and they’ll, 95% of the time, get you through in the normal wait time unless you fudged something on your app, omitted something on your app, or have arrests that could potentially prompt denials.

            I apologize if I’ve been a bit terse in my responses. However, the ATF literally released an amazing program to expedite correctly filled out apps (F4 individual) without the above issues, and it was taken away because of all the ridiculous calls and complaints about the process. They literally tried something that was unheard of in the NFA process and it got taken away because of people who were simply envious of someone who got through faster. But hey, let’s just keep poking the bear because it seems to help a lot.

            • #106011

              americanjetset
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              Wow. OK fudd.

              • #106012

                mart2224
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                Hey make sure you call up the ATF tomorrow, just to be sure it’s still pending like it was yesterday. Hey.. just curious… when you called them the last time, did they just tell you it was ‘pending’? Should probably call again to verify.

                The only fudd lore going on here is people believing that they should call over and over as if it somehow helps the process. Don’t be a noob.

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                • #106015

                  toonz176
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                  You’ve obviously never called (after waiting for two months after the “trend” period) and found out your form was approved 6 weeks ago but never got mailed out…

                  I call every 2 days once I see that someone has been approved with a submittal date after mine. I never want to have to wait 59 days after approval to receive my stamp again.

                  Don’t like it, tough cookies.

                • #106017

                  mart2224
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                  That’d be a legitimate reason to call.

                • #106052

                  Mitch
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                  But you’d never know unless you called right😂

                • #106019

                  americanjetset
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                  I’m calling you a fudd because you referred to slightly-less-of-an-infringement as “an amazing program.”

                  Every day I have to wait for a suppressor or an SBR is complete and udder bullshit. If I wanna call every goddamn day from the day I submit, I am going to, and hearing some neckbeard idiot on a forum bitch about it ain’t gonna change my actions one bit.

                  Fudd.

                • #106032

                  mart2224
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                  Seems reasonable, Mr. ‘Anyone who disagrees with me is a fudd’. You go ahead and call them every day/week until your heart is content because the system that you signed up for does exactly what it’s always been doing. Once that check gets cashed, my suggestion would be to call every 3-4 days, actually. I’ll bet they’ll have a change of heart because you ‘think the system is bullshit’ (btw, everyone here agrees with that). Can you play a ‘golf clap’ sound byte after you call them the next time? I mean, you’re really doing yourself and all of us a favor by complaining to the ATF or calling before the average wait time is achieved. I actually feel like justice is done every time I see someone indicate they’ve called at the 4mo mark, were told it was pending, then they complained that the system is bullshit. That doesn’t seem childish at all. No, it seems like a mature approach to the system you voluntarily signed up for.

                  Maybe the real reason you are getting upset here is you’re trying to defend your juvenile actions of calling them up incessantly. Maybe you’re just trying to justify your actions because of your inherent, perceived injustice of the system.

                  I actually don’t know of any expert outfit out there that suggests you call before the average time is up. Capital armory doesn’t, Silencershop doesn’t. I wonder why they don’t suggest that… They must be Fudds too.

                • #106037

                  americanjetset
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                  I have two forms pending. 239 days and 204. I’ve called exactly once on each of them, roughly a week after my check was cashed to ensure everything was in order.

                  I dont “[call] them up incessantly,” and I never said I did; but you bitching about people calling is actually worse than anyone here complaining about the system, you absolute fucking retard.

                • #106039

                  mart2224
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                  There you go… doing the gun community another favor by showing that gun owners are so dumb as to call people ‘fucking retards.’ When people say, “we’re our own worst enemies in the gun community,” remember.. they’re referring to you. When gun legislation further limits our right to bear arms, remember that you’ve played a critical role in that bill’s success by exacerbating the perception that gun owners are unintelligent. Thank you once again.

                  Did I say I was complaining about people just calling to ensure everything is in order or even when they hit a point that’s clearly late? I’m talking specifically about people who call incessantly and for no reason except to ask whether they can open their Christmas present early. After your initial call to ensure they got everything (which, generally speaking, if they cashed your check, it means they specifically matched it up with your application), you should call them only if it’s late. I see far too many people chiming in all over the place saying, “it’s been 60 days, I called and they said it’s still pending.” That’s an absolutely unnecessary call.

                  It sounds like I’m talking to a child right now, though. Do you have any more solid insults besides calling someone a retard or fudd?

              • #106016

                mart2224
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                You know what was great… when I got the call from my dealer on my last form 4 and it was approved within the average time. And you know what was weird… that I never called the ATF once to ask about it’s status. It’s the strangest thing… it’s like… it just went into a pile on someone’s desk… and then the person finally got to it… and then it was approved like magic. I’m also perplexed on this because… well… I see people in here that call several times prior to the average approval time… and then.. like magic, it gets approved on or abouts the average time. It’s almost as if calling them does absolutely nothing. What do you guys thing? You know what, must be fudd lore. You guys just keep calling and complaining and getting awesome new expedited systems taken away. The entire NFA community thanks you for your outstanding service here.

                • #106021

                  Mitch
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                  You can say what you want but until they get rid of the line 95% of people are going to call and call often. Cause fuck you know airtime minutes aren’t a thing anymore and oh yeah, I have a right to call and check. Thanks for the “stern warning” though. I’m sure everyone on here now feels ashamed inside to call. Not

                • #106023

                  toonz176
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                  I’ve already explained to you, there are certain circumstances where calling to confirm you’ve been approved can lessen your overall wait time. Sometimes, a form will get approved and the form gets hung up somewhere between the reviewer’s desk and the mail room. This has happened to me on one occasion, and I’ve heard of it happening to others as well.

                  Had I called beforehand and known my form was approved, I would have known something was wrong when the form didn’t show up at my dealer in a timely manner. Instead, I waited over 6 weeks after my form was approved to check in. I ended up having to submit a request for a certified copy. My original form ended up arriving eventually, but it was postmarked AFTER the ATF received my request for a certified copy. Who knows how much longer I would have waited if continued simply waiting for a phone call from my dealer.

                  You simply cannot know with 100% certainty that the ATF will mail your form automatically once they approve it. It doesn’t hurt anything to check in. Nothing has been taken away because people were complaining about the overall wait time either. The fast-tracking process was scrapped because people filing TRUSTS complained that non-trust applications were given priority. Has nothing to do with me calling to check in on my form. Also, if you have a legitimate reason for directly communicating with your reviewer, they’ll transfer you; at least that’s been my experience.

                  If you don’t feel the need to ever check on your application; that’s fantastic! Don’t. Just don’t get butt-hurt over people that do, especially when you cannot prove it has any negative impact on your process. I’m sure you can find better uses for your time; of which you must have an abundance.

                • #106031

                  mart2224
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                  You’re probably the only one who has said anything reasonable here. I agree, if you’re pushing past the average time, you should call and verify. However, the people who call every week when they’re 4-6 mo in are certainly part of the problem. They’re the very people who complain that ‘some guy’ got his faster and that’s not fair. That helps no one.period. It’s also the very reason we just lost an expedited system. I’ll certainly call if I push past the average or even toward the end of the average. However, I’m not going to be a dick who calls every week just to complain about the system like a few of the people here indicated. Again, try not to be part of the crew of 10,000 jerks who they get to hear from every day asking the same questions even though there’s no reason to call at that point.

  • #106004

    Andrew
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    Well Mart2224 …. you said “You can see the approval times on the graph” right now the 3 month average for f4 individual is 200 days till stamp recieved… 8 months is 243 days, so one would already be 43 days longer than the average wait …. looks like calling at 8 and 9 months is perfectly justifiable

    • #106007

      mart2224
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      Seems like you may not know how to read the graph/trends. On the X-axis there is the date of check cashed. On the Y-axis is days. The dots represent approvals and a flurry of dots represents a trend. Following? Ok, Andrew, this is where it may not be intuitive to someone who doesn’t read graphs often. The new approvals June and after (that flurry of dots on or abouts June) show up quickly because they introduced an expedited system (if you had been following these forums you’d know they introduced this and subsequently took it away). All submissions prior to June (that flurry of dots that are now hitting approx March) are running 240ish. You see the gap between the June-Aug submission date approvals and the ones prior? That’s the expedited system that was introduced in June and was subsequently cancelled because people complained. You see how that flurry of dots near June-Aug has ceased and we haven’t seen but one or two new dots in there for about a month? That’s when they cancelled the expedited system due to complaints. So, that means that anything submitted prior to June is running 240ish days because it was on the old system (which is now just the system because too many people complained). I’d surmise that you are one of the people who complained that you saw fast approvals on some forms and yours was going slower? If so (and hopefully not..), you’re part of the problem and why we now have NO expedited program. You know, the program that would have eventually reduced the overall wait time for EVERYONE significantly because they could have allocated resources more appropriately in their office?

      To summarize: Submissions prior to the June rollout of the system are running standard 8-9 months. Sumbissions Mid-June to Mid-Aug were runnning 60-90 days. Submissions after that are now back on the old system and running 8-9 months. So, pretty please, with a cherry on top, try to not be part of the problem that screws everything up by incessantly calling/complaining when your application is not actually late. Try to understand the graph and if you can’t understand it, just ask.

      • #106048

        Rock
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        Not to speak for Andrew, but he is correct based on the bar graphs he is referencing (“Avg Wait Times 12 Months,” and “Avg Wait Times 3 Months”). You are also correct, but you are referring to a different graph.

        While I have you… While I agree that calling on a frequent basis serves little purpose, I disagree with your premise… as it appears to be based entirely on speculation. I’m far from an expert on the subject, but I haven’t seen anything that correlates excessive status calls to the removal of the expedited program for ‘Form 4 Individual’ applicants. My understanding is that excessive complaints from ‘From 4 Trust’ applicants was directly responsible for the removal of the expedited program, specifically based on an assumption that expedited Individual applications were causing an INCREASE in the processing time for Trust applications. I have no idea if that was actually the case, but I can see where that conclusion could be drawn.

        Now for some speculation of my own. I don’t know whether these complaints from Trust applicants were lodged via phone calls to the same number (and the same person; “Doris” in your example) that’s used to check status or not. Do you? These complaints may have been lodged by some other means or to some other entity. That seems more likely than “Doris,” who hears complaints of all flavors day-in and day-out, taking an interest in this specific complaint and affecting a change because of it.

        Additionally, I also speculate that, right or wrong, frequent status callers existed long before the expedited program originated and will continue to exist in the wake of its demise. Considering this, it seems unlikely that they were responsible for the cancellation of the expedited program. In my opinion, everyone should call (politely) a few weeks to a month after their check has cleared to verify their application is indeed “processing.” While not completely necessary, I also don’t see any harm in proactively calling monthly (or every other), regardless of the (unofficial) data available here. Things happen, errors occur, and there is anecdotal evidence here that it CAN be of benefit.

        And while you may personally feel thankful that we have this program, at all, not everyone shares your opinion… and with good reason. Here’s a very nice YouTube primer on just how the National Firearms Act of 1934 came to be… how “silencers” came to be a part of it (it’s a head-shaker)… and the reason for that $200 tax stamp. Warning. You may not feel quite as thankful afterwards.

        This is my 1st post, so I’ll cover my bases in case the link doesn’t work. Search YouTube for: “Everything You’re NOT Supposed to Know About Suppressors” by “T.REX ARMS” and you should find it.

        Everything You’re NOT Supposed to Know About Suppressors

  • #106025

    Fire Cop
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    Thunderbeast in store purchase on 11/5/19
    Check cashed 11/17/19
    Now to try and think of anything else……………

  • #106026

    B Thompson
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    try to not be part of the problem

    Good advice.

    Someone here is part of the problem but it’s not who you think it is. If you can’t figure who, just ask.

    • #106029

      mart2224
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      Yup, it couldn’t possibly be the people who call every week to verify when they’re 4-6mo in. It’s got to be the one who’s telling you to chill out until the average wait time is up. Hey, while you’re at it, make sure you call them and tell them how upset you are that they introduced an expedited process because yours didn’t make the cut. Make sure you do that so they know to never try and make the process faster.

  • #106034

    mart2224
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    I think we’ve found the reason that the expedited process got removed: it’s the people who got butt hurt when someone indicated they shouldn’t call every week prior to the average wait time being achieved (this is excluding toonz who had a legitimate reason to call). Thanks guys! This forum was dry until someone indicated it might be detrimental to call them and complain every week when you’re not even at the average wait time! Oh, and heaven forbid we try to read the graph and extrapolate what the actual data says rather than using fake math to determine whatever average wait time will make your application look as if it’s late.

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  • #106038

    B Thompson
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    Copy all, no one should expect a government agency to competently administer a program placed under its purview by federal law. I don’t consider a sliding 3 to 18 month scale for the ATF to comply with their obligations under federal statute acceptable. If you do, great I guess, have at it but you’re not making yourself sound any smarter with each post. Toonz had a legitimate reason to call in your judgement, but you are somehow missing that he would never have known there was a problem unless he called. Laser sharp assessment of that issue. Preach on sister.

    • #106045

      mart2224
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      You’re totally right, it’s just a sliding scale with no rhyme or reason, and there’s absolutely no reason for you to look into it deeper but to conclude that it’s simply random. You’re right, you simply can’t see this on the graph in the trends:

      3 months – expedited system that was taken away due to complaints
      8-10 months – standard wait time for those who submitted prior to expedited system.
      10+ months – (generally speaking) people who screwed up their application, left out their SSN, or have other issues that caused a delay in the FBI system.

      You nailed it bro. That graph indicates no verifiable trends that can be clearly seen. Those dots and dot-trends represent mere randomness. That’s usually how I think as well.. I just see something that upsets me from a wait-time perspective, and I attribute it to mere randomness and complain. I see variances in numbers: randomness. I see expedited times for some: randomness. Nailed.it.

      Toonz had a legitimate reason to call because his application was actually late and they forgot to mail it. 98+% of us won’t ever have that happen, and calling when it’s late by a few weeks can help you track down mere clerical errors or verify if you are in FBI black hole. If I had a submission in July during the expedited process time frame, I’d call right now because it’s actually late. If I had a submission in April of this year, I’d wait because April dots aren’t showing up yet and it’s not actually late, as those applications were in the old system. The cool thing is, if you take a few minutes to dig into the numbers, you could extrapolate actual data rather than attributing things that don’t initially make sense to you as randomness and then complaining about the system. There’s undoubtedly some randomness in the system, but it’s the outlier as opposed to the rule. You see the dots that fall outside of the trend? What would you say, they account for about 2% or less of the dots? I’d attribute half or less of those dots as true randomness.

      We all agree, it sucks to wait as long as we do for these things, and the ATF isn’t a bastion of governmental excellence. However, you can save yourself time and frustration by using your brain when interpreting the data.

  • #106041

    Johnny3
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    Just bought my first suppressor on 11-26-19 and had the form 4 individual in the mail the same day. My check has already been cashed (12-4-19). When I bought it my dealer said the ATF changed their approval process and wait times are down to 60-90 days. Should I be getting my hopes up? Or did the wait times bounce back up since then?

    • #106042

      Gus
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      As far as I know, the newer system is already completely offline and all applications are already back on the older slower system. I’d expect a more traditional wait time of 6-12 months. This is conjecture though; I’d be happy to be wrong in this case.

      • #106043

        Johnny3
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        Oh man, what a kick in the groin! How did you find out the expedited system is no more?

  • #106044

    ctnsupra1
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    Oh man, what a kick in the groin! How did you find out the expedited system is no more?

    Link to story here

    • #106046

      Johnny3
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      Thanks for the link. Crazy to hear that that few people are tasked with handling that many forms. Here’s to waiting 🍻

  • #106053

    Sam Goldwater
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    Ruger Silent SR

    Purchased 02/16/2019
    Form submitted 03/06/2019
    Check Cashed 03/14/2019
    Approved 11/26/2019
    Stamp in hand 12/05/2019

    Form 4 individual through SilencerShop

    265 days from cashed check to stamp in hand.

  • #106054

    B Thompson
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    You’re totally right, it’s just a sliding scale with no rhyme or reason, and there’s absolutely no reason for you to look into it deeper but to conclude that it’s simply random. You’re right, you simply can’t see this on the graph in the trends:

    3 months – expedited system that was taken away due to complaints
    8-10 months – standard wait time for those who submitted prior to expedited system.
    10+ months – (generally speaking) people who screwed up their application, left out their SSN, or have other issues that caused a delay in the FBI system.

    You nailed it bro. That graph indicates no verifiable trends that can be clearly seen. Those dots and dot-trends represent mere randomness. That’s usually how I think as well.. I just see something that upsets me from a wait-time perspective, and I attribute it to mere randomness and complain. I see variances in numbers: randomness. I see expedited times for some: randomness. Nailed.it.

    Toonz had a legitimate reason to call because his application was actually late and they forgot to mail it. 98+% of us won’t ever have that happen, and calling when it’s late by a few weeks can help you track down mere clerical errors or verify if you are in FBI black hole. If I had a submission in July during the expedited process time frame, I’d call right now because it’s actually late. If I had a submission in April of this year, I’d wait because April dots aren’t showing up yet and it’s not actually late, as those applications were in the old system. The cool thing is, if you take a few minutes to dig into the numbers, you could extrapolate actual data rather than attributing things that don’t initially make sense to you as randomness and then complaining about the system. There’s undoubtedly some randomness in the system, but it’s the outlier as opposed to the rule. You see the dots that fall outside of the trend? What would you say, they account for about 2% or less of the dots? I’d attribute half or less of those dots as true randomness.

    We all agree, it sucks to wait as long as we do for these things, and the ATF isn’t a bastion of governmental excellence. However, you can save yourself time and frustration by using your brain when interpreting the data.

    Missing the point and doubling down. Awesome.

    How do you feel about the 4th amendment? What’s the big deal if you have nothing to hide?

    • #106057

      mart2224
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      Math is your friend, and you don’t HAVE to be obtuse your whole life. These are choices that you can make.

    • #106059

      mart2224
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      The 4th… amendment… holy crap… you’re a genius. All this time, I’ve been talking to a genius. My point was to stop unnecessarily calling the ATF outside of a few circumstances because it’s pointless and potentially detrimental.. you brought up the 4th amendment. Neurons are firing on all cylinders on your end. Have a great weekend.

  • #106055

    Matt Mullican
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    Daniel Defense Wave Dt
    Purchased from silencer shop 2/25/19
    Check cashed 3/25/19
    Approved 12/2/19
    Waiting for stamp.

  • #106058

    B Thompson
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    Math is your friend, and you don’t HAVE to be obtuse your whole life. These are choices that you can make.

    “I’m posting and I can’t shut up”

    Copy.

  • #106138

    Jimjj
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    I think all of the conversation around whether or not we should or should not call the ATF to check on the status of our silencers prior to 8, 10, 12 months has been hashed and rehashed long enough and quite frankly I’m tired of hearing about it. Nobody here is going to change the mind or actions of the others. I think it’s time to agree to disagree and move the hell on.

    I am positive there are much more important topics to discuss then the above. All of the time you have wasted here could have been much better spent discussing red flag laws that are sweeping our country. You could have been talking with your congressmen and senators or other elected officials to voice your concerns and opinions regarding our dwindling 2nd amendment rights.

    Do what you will, but there are much more important issues affecting gun and suppressor ownership than simply calling the ATF. THIS IS A TOPIC IN AND OF ITSELF. WHAT CAN WE DO TO NOT HAVE TO CALL? Let’s channel all of that energy into getting Congress to remove suppressors from the NFA list. There it is. That would alleviate the necessity or perceived necessity to call the ATF.

    • #106140

      mart2224
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      • Posts: 23
      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      Entirely agree. How about this… Maybe we can all agree that if you do call, try to be kind to the ATF rather than jerks. They’re not the ones in charge. They are simply an agency enforcing a set of regulations. My experience with them is that, generally speaking, the people approving the forms don’t want yours to be held up, lost, or forgotten. I have worked within paper forms and the eForm system, and I’ve had a lot of forms processed. The people within the eForm system are actually very pleasant to deal with, and I’ve never felt a need to call the ATF on a paper form 4 once it’s been cashed. I’d call if I saw that it was running a late, and there’s plenty of resource out there to know when that is. My experience is that the ATF really doesn’t want the system to be backed up so badly. They’re working with what little they’ve got and even made a recent attempt to expedite forms more quickly. Also, if they screw up one of your forms or it doesn’t get mailed, the high likelihood is that they aren’t doing this purposefully or with malice so it’s in bad judgement to assign malice to a likely clerical error.

  • #106139

    Levi
    Participant
    • Posts: 39
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Seriously just call as often as you damn well please. This unconstitutional tax alone doesn’t justify not hounding the landline of me trying to find out where my app is in the process.

    The fudds trying to defend this institution to any degree are the ones who would impose gun legislation and taxes if they were office.

    Losers

    • #106141

      mart2224
      Participant
      • Posts: 23
      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      You call as much as your little uneducated heart desires.

  • #106147

    Skyhawkxxx
    Participant
    • Posts: 2
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    I wanted to post my wait times to help out with the tracking. I’m not sure where to submit dates but I purchased a Silencerco Omega 300 on February 26th 2019
    Check Cashed:March 29th 2019
    And still waiting.

  • #106148

    Skyhawkxxx
    Participant
    • Posts: 2
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Wanted to see if anyone had got theirs back around this time frame?

    Purchased: Feb 26th 2019
    Check cashed: March 29th 2019 and still waiting.

    • #106151

      Ryan
      Participant
      • Posts: 1
      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      Skyhawkxxx,
      I purchased my Q Trash Panda from Silencershop on 12/30/2018. Tax Stamp cashed 2/12/2019. At the 10 month date, 12/12/19, I called the ATF hotline and was told I was approved 12/9/19.

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