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    • #109304
      mochoolp
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      • Posts: 31
      Join Date: 12/05/2019

      Its just gives the appearance of lack organization, where after a form is approved to see stamps at the dealer within a week for a few, and others over 5 weeks. Based on what I read here. I am just shaking my head; ponderance.

    • #109312
      Hnguy01z
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      • Posts: 4
      Join Date: 12/05/2019

      Have you received the tax stamp yet?
      I got approved same day 9/30. Still waiting the call form dealer:(

      • #109313
        Joey
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        • Posts: 4
        Join Date: 12/05/2019

        Approved 9/30 as well and still no stamp here.

        • #109327
          Hnguy01z
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          • Posts: 4
          Join Date: 12/05/2019

          Got the call yesterday from dealer! It’s ready to pick up. So excited 😆

    • #109314
      The3percent
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      • Posts: 2
      Join Date: 12/05/2019

      If this helps, while waiting for my approved stamp to get to my dealer, I compiled this:
      Avg D to SIH
      SS Wait Times F4 Ind. Paper = 10 Days
      NFA-T Wait Times F4 Ind. Paper = 16 Days
      T9/1/20 to 9/21/20 = 20 Days
      T5/18/20 to 6/8/20 = 21 Days
      T 5/1/20 to 6/5/20 = 35 Days
      ? 5/4/20 to 6/8/20 = 35 Days
      ? 5/13/20 to 6/9/20 = 27 Days
      ? 5/21/20 to 6/12/20 = 22 Days
      ? 5/22/20 to 6/12/20 = 21 Days
      T 6/4/20 to 6/25/20 = 21 Days
      T 5/29/20 to 6/20/20 = 22 Days
      T 6/18/20 to 6/29/20 = 11 Days
      ? 6/5/20 to 6/29/20 = 24 Days
      T 6/6/20 to 6/29/20 = 23 Days
      T 6/4/20 to 6/30/20 = 26 Days
      T 6/4/20 to 6/30/20 = 26 Days
      T 5/31/20 to 6/23/20 = 23 Days
      ? 6/29/29 to 7/14/20 = 15 Days
      T 6/23/20 to 7/14/20 = 21 Days
      T 6/23/20 to 7/14/20 = 21 Days
      T 6/10/20 to 7/29/20 = 19 Days
      T 7/2/20 to 7/23/20 = 21 Days
      T 7/27/20 to 8/10/20 = 14 Days
      ? 7/25/20 to 8/11/20 = 17 Days
      ? 8/4/20 8/18/20 = 14 Days
      ? 8/4/20 8/18/20 = 14 Days
      ? 8/29/20 to 8/22/20 = 24 Days
      T 8/12/20 to 8/22/20 = 10 Days
      T 8/11/20 to 8/25/20 = 14 Days
      T 8/6/20 to 9/2/20 = 27 Days
      ? 8/25/20 to 9/4/20 = 10 Days
      T 9/6/20 to 9/19/20 = 13 Days
      T 9/1/20 to 9/21/20 = 20 Days
      F4T Range = 10 Days to 35 Days
      F4T Mode = 21 Days
      F4T Median = 21 Days
      F4T Mean = 30.13 Days

    • #109316
      mochoolp
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      • Posts: 31
      Join Date: 12/05/2019

      I looked at the cvs file. Its full of omissions, and errors users have entered.
      Like hundreds have no dates at all. Other fields state F4 individual in transferee type then Form 3, Form 1 or Suppressor and other entries in FormType. Some entries have same dates all way across, from Purchase to StampRecieved.
      Garbage in, garbage out

    • #109343
      mochoolp
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      • Posts: 31
      Join Date: 12/05/2019

      Has anyone needed to request from NFA a duplicate or replacement stamp if one was never received by the dealer? If so, how long did you wait to request a replacement stamp, and how long did it take to receive this stamp?

    • #109350
      Guy d.
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      • Posts: 4
      Join Date: 12/05/2019

      Form 4 individual e-file, check cashed 4/3/20. ATF simply says, “it’s in process.” Won’t give me the contact info for the agent processing my request. How do I get that info so I can contact them directly? Thanks!

    • #109351
      Motoxxxman
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      • Posts: 27
      Join Date: 12/05/2019

      Form 4 individual e-file, check cashed 4/3/20. ATF simply says, “it’s in process.” Won’t give me the contact info for the agent processing my request. How do I get that info so I can contact them directly? Thanks!

      It may not have made it to an examiner yet. Some forms take longer than others. The fact that some people get approved in 5 months definitely does not mean yours should. It can still take up to a year.

    • #109352
      Chief (Retired)
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      • Posts: 20
      Join Date: 12/05/2019

      @mochoolp : General guidance is to wait at least 30 days before sending a signed letter to the NFA Branch (current address is 244 Needy Rd, Martinsburg, WV 25405) or sending a scan of the signed letter to NFAFax@atf.gov.

      Be sure to include your name, address, clear details around the request (requesting copy, stamp never received, exact transferee name, the associated serial #), and be sure to sign the letter (with a signature block for your trust/corp if applicable).

    • #109353
      LRM1981
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      • Posts: 8
      Join Date: 12/05/2019

      Form 4 individual e-file, check cashed 4/3/20. ATF simply says, “it’s in process.” Won’t give me the contact info for the agent processing my request. How do I get that info so I can contact them directly? Thanks!

      It’s way too soon to start checking in on the status. They won’t give you any useful information anyway. My last Form 4 took almost a year for them to approve it and I’m still waiting on the stamp to arrive at my dealer. My Form 4 prior to that only took 2.5 months…go figure.

    • #109355
      Eric
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      • Posts: 6
      Join Date: 12/05/2019

      Saker 556k
      Sent: 3/27/20
      Cashed: 4/29/20
      Approved: 10/6/20
      Stamp Received: 10/29/20

    • #109359
      mochoolp
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      • Posts: 31
      Join Date: 12/05/2019

      Is transfer tracking database down? I can not access the page.
      “Sorry, the page you requested cannot be found.”

    • #109360
      Motoxxxman
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      • Posts: 27
      Join Date: 12/05/2019

      Is transfer tracking database down? I can not access the page.
      “Sorry, the page you requested cannot be found.”

      looks that way yes. should be back up and running soon. They’re pretty good here about fixing issues within a day or two

    • #109361
      Unibrow
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      • Posts: 1
      Join Date: 12/05/2019

      Purchased Warlock 2 5/10/20
      Check cashed 6/03/20
      Approved 10/19/20
      Picked up 10/30/20

    • #109367
      Matt
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      • Posts: 5
      Join Date: 12/05/2019

      Saker 556. Ordered 06/01/2020 from SilencerCo ProDeal program.
      Arrived at SOT 09/25/2020, nobody told me till I called SilencerCo on 11/03/2020. LOL
      Form 4 submitted 11/03/2020. Pray for a speedy 1!

      • This reply was modified 11 months, 2 weeks ago by Matt.
      • This reply was modified 11 months, 2 weeks ago by Matt.
    • #109377
      mochoolp
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      • Posts: 31
      Join Date: 12/05/2019

      36 days after approval; dealer stated they still do not have the stamp. Telephoned NFA(ATF). They suggested writing and sign a letter to them and they will mail me a cerified copy of the tax stamp.
      Its sad that there is a problem somewhere unkown with getting a stamp after approval.

    • #109389
      Julio
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      • Posts: 1
      Join Date: 12/05/2019

      3/16/20 purchased
      3/25/20 check cashed
      9/25/20 approved

      Today, 11/6/20, dealer states they haven’t received a stamp. Should I do the letter thing even if they said they can take up to 45 days to ship?

    • #109406
      SCF110
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      • Posts: 1
      Join Date: 12/05/2019

      5/29/2020 Purchased Gemtech Dagger II
      6/4/2020 ATF took payment
      10/19/2020 Approved
      11/06/2020 Stamp received!

      Total 160 days from purchase to pickup. First stamp went better than I expected

    • #109413
      Havok1
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      • Posts: 2
      Join Date: 12/05/2019

      SOCOM RC2, bought late April 2020. Check cashed 5/3/20. Approved 11/9/20. I think waiting for the stamp in the mail is going to be the worst part…lol.

    • #109444
      wasabi
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      • Posts: 2
      Join Date: 12/05/2019

      SilencerCo Omega45K
      06/09/20 Purchased
      07/06/20 Check cashed
      10/29/20 Approved
      11/10/20 Stamp Received

    • #109470
      Justin Johnson
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      • Posts: 4
      Join Date: 12/05/2019

      OSS 338 HX Magnum.
      Check cashed 07-16-2020
      Approved 11-05-2020
      In hand 11-18-2020

      Can’t believe how fast this was!

    • #109471
      Motoxxxman
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      • Posts: 27
      Join Date: 12/05/2019

      And here I am, mailed in March, cashed in May, and still pending. They must have zero order to their process. Or some awesome examiners, and some terrible ones.

      • #109502
        atrouth
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        • Posts: 2
        Join Date: 12/05/2019

        And here I am, mailed in March, cashed in May, and still pending. They must have zero order to their process. Or some awesome examiners, and some terrible ones.

        Mine was cashed in April and they still have me as “pending”. I’m seeing approvals for F4 individual and trust consistently from May, June, and July. You would think there should be some kind of queue or order for this but it seems it is always left to chance.

        ATF told me 7 months was the average right now (even though all the trackers show the recent averages trending as less). I finally gave in and sent emails to my congressmen to start looking into it. Hoping this lights a fire under them and I get the approval before Christmas….

    • #109472
      Kulowkyle
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      • Posts: 18
      Join Date: 12/05/2019

      Form 4 individual
      Sandman S
      Purchased 10/28/2019
      Cash checked-?????
      Pending-?????
      Approval?????

      Bought the can 10/28/2019. Never ran card for payment. Shop I got it from said they put their own card down and they ran that but not for sure on that. Called the ATF and they don’t know who I am or don’t have record for the suppressor when I gave them the serial number other than the original transfer to the shop. Told the shop and they said “ the fbi had problems with the fingerprints but it should be approved soon”. 388 days and counting. Any ideas?

    • #109473
      mochoolp
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      • Posts: 31
      Join Date: 12/05/2019

      That is very fast Justin. Congratulations.
      I’ve been waiting 50 days since approval for the stamp. Ugh.

    • #109474
      Motoxxxman
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      • Posts: 27
      Join Date: 12/05/2019

      Form 4 individual
      Sandman S
      Purchased 10/28/2019
      Cash checked-?????
      Pending-?????
      Approval?????

      Bought the can 10/28/2019. Never ran card for payment. Shop I got it from said they put their own card down and they ran that but not for sure on that. Called the ATF and they don’t know who I am or don’t have record for the suppressor when I gave them the serial number other than the original transfer to the shop. Told the shop and they said “ the fbi had problems with the fingerprints but it should be approved soon”. 388 days and counting. Any ideas?

      I’d be at that shop hounding the snot out of them every day til they give you answers, and proof that they actually submitted a form 4 for you.

      • #109482
        Kulowkyle
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        • Posts: 18
        Join Date: 12/05/2019

        Trust me I’m messaging them around once a week sometimes twice. Just keep getting shady answers and no real solid ones. My second one I bought on 9/15/20 from a different shop check cashed 9/30/20

    • #109549
      Chief (Retired)
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      • Posts: 20
      Join Date: 12/05/2019

      Submitted Form 4 on 14Oct20. Check cleared on 26Oct20. Still not listed in system to check status as of 7Dec20.

      I have 6 transfers currently in progress dating back to 13Mar20. I usually wouldn’t think twice about transfers until the 10-month point, but the transfer trends have me hoping that at least one of my transfers will fall in the average window.

      • #109551
        Matt
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        • Posts: 5
        Join Date: 12/05/2019

        Right there with you, Brother.

        Card charged 11/07/2020 and not in system yet, I think those speedy approvals were flukes! But for our sake, lets pray not.

      • #109552
        Motoxxxman
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        • Posts: 27
        Join Date: 12/05/2019

        Also there with you.
        card charged May 22, still pending.
        card charged Oct 22, still not even in system yet.
        At exactly 4 weeks, I was told there is roughly a 4 week back-log for them being entered into the system. But it’s been 6-7 weeks now, and still not there. At least I know I’m not the only one. I was starting to worry there was a typo somewhere or something that might cause me issues.

        Honestly, I’m starting to wonder if something is happening behind the scenes with ATF and Biden’s sheep.

        • This reply was modified 10 months, 2 weeks ago by Motoxxxman.
      • #109581
        Motoxxxman
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        • Posts: 27
        Join Date: 12/05/2019

        My form 4 that was cashed in October is finally in the system. And the one cashed in May is still pending. Crossing my fingers they batch approve them before the end of the year, or in the very least before Biden puts on his crown and has leverage with ATF

        • #109582
          Chief (Retired)
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          • Posts: 20
          Join Date: 12/05/2019

          My October one isn’t in the system yet but was a few days behind yours. Hopefully, it will show up soon. On the plus side, I have a July transfer that was approved this week. The two from March are still not approved so doesn’t look like I’m getting a batch approval.

      • #109618
        Chief (Retired)
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        • Posts: 20
        Join Date: 12/05/2019

        Update: Form with check cleared on Oct 26th was available in the system on Dec 15th. It even shows a pending date of Oct 27th (just subtly reinforcing that nothing was done with it during that time).

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