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  • #73749
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    Are the timelines for form 4 trust correct? Doesn’t seem like they are…

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    I think on the home page, the “Time To Approval” bar graphs must be wrong. A few days ago (in October) they made it seem like I was only a month out. Now it’s saying a Form 4 Paper Trust cashed in June will be ready by end of November? I wish!

    The scatter graph in the “Transfer Tracking” section seems to be more accurate. That’s showing cashed checks the first week of April are getting their approvals now, which puts it out at 7 months. That seems closer to reality, and it’ll probably get longer the closer you cashed to 41F. Mine were cashed in early June, so I’m assuming/hoping my approvals are end of Jan/some point in Feb (7-8 months).

    Maybe the bar graphs are aren’t accurate yet since that is what they’re still working on making better. The scatter plot is probably based on all the old data from the old site plus some new entries, making it a little more accurate.

    I’ve got a couple form 1’s submitted in May, and I really hope they come through in the next week or two (based on the old data… I saved a few excel downloads before the new site came up, but again, the new scatter graph for form 1 data seems to show that being the case also).

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    The scatter graph is accurate. I double checked the data.

    The main bar graph is being reworked. It is correct but it should have any months at the bottom. It will make sense once the labels are cleaned. up.

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    Thanks. Wow, I’ve been watching this closely as I’m waiting on a really important stamp from 8 APR. It just seemed like when the graph went back up it jumped ahead 3 or 4 weeks so I figured it was a glitch. That would be great if the data is accurate.

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      I contacted some of the users to verify as well. There are several approvals from April.

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    That’s outstanding! Thanks again.

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    so how are we supposed to interpret the bar graph on the main page?

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      That bar graph is getting changed. The issue is the labels. It is showing the average times for each section over the last 12 months but the labels are wrong. So if you ignore the labels then you can see the average.

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    Don’t think your times are right. My check was cashed May 13, 2026, my status is still pending.

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      Yes the wait times are correct. Remember that just because some people are reporting dates of approval in May doesn’t mean that yours are approved. There are a lot of factors that can affect your timeline.

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    I contacted the ATF 2 weeks ago, and I was told that the early June check cashed date put me at the middle of Dec. for Stamp in Hand. Is that what you are figuring? I will be relocating in March due to job requirements and I don’t want to have an issue getting it done to where I have to travel all the way back. Thanks for any info you could provide.

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      That sounds about right. Assuming that they don’t run into a big pile of forms.

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        No such luck. It’s on the back side of 8 months and I’m still pending. I was told a couple weeks ago that the Inspector had my app and it shouldn’t be much longer, well as you can see I’m still waiting. A week on the backside of 8 months and now they are telling me that they have no idea how much longer it will be. Any help calming my nerves would greatly be appreciated. I called last Friday and plan to call tomorrow. This is starting to become ridiculous. Thanks.

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    That’s pretty interesting to hear since what I’ve been observing on various NFA-centric forums is that current wait times are in the 7-8 month range as opposed to the just over 6 months that your conversation implied.

    Looking at the chart right now, it looks like the data points are starting to level out at ~210 days after check cashing date. I’m assuming that the points are time from check cashed to stamp approved, not stamp in hand.

    I’m thinking you’ll likely have your stamp in hand in early/mid-January assuming:
    – current processing rate stays the same
    – June 6th check cashed date
    – 7 month processing time
    – 2-3 weeks for ATF to mail your stamp to your dealer..

    Hope it’s sooner than that, but you know. <shrug>

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      At first it was showing check cashed to check in hand date. This can skew the chart if you think about it. If I don’t pick up the silencer for 2 extra weeks after the stamp is at the dealer then that changes the timeline.

      We thought that we could get a more accurate assessment of the ATF speed by changing it to approval date.

      If the collective group thinks that it should be to in hand date then we might change it or add a new graph. Personally I think this current graph helps provide more accurate data. Also remember the majority of people that use this site don’t understand the ATF to the fullest so they can skew data easily by not understanding the process.

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    I think if you are familiar with how the old “scatter” graph works, you can probably figure this one out. I would suggest adding some directions for new people. The appearance is not as good as the old one. Now the bar graph on the other hand I think is a little out of whack with the approval dates. Please keep up the good work.

    • #74030
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      The graphs are being redone right now. It will look like the old one. The bar graph is getting revamped as well.

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    Called for a status check on my Form 4 on Monday Oct 31, 2016, the recording used to say 6 months for approval, now it says 8 months. Still pending from March 31, 2016.

  • #74077
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    The most accurate way to display information is to create input where variables are in the graph. Check cashed date doesn’t change once you call and find out. However, anything before check cashed date is irrelevant and doesn’t need to be viewed. From there its pending date until its approved, so the less irrelevant information the better. This can be used to increase the graph accuracy without human error. The old graph was useful to those who know how to use it, as long as what was being added was correct.

    If your saying the current chart is accurate I might agree but your “grace period” is more than 30 days, that’s a big period. The old chart would sort and filter by check cashed days and you could group your “date” with everyone else and compare by location, item, filing system and more. This paints a picture of the same day, not a “period” and provides as accurate information as you can get besides calling the ATF yourself. Your chart is creating an average not specific enough information.

    • #74078
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      Ok which one are you referring to? The Bar Graph is giving the average. The Scatter Graph gives current trends.

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    Correct, just as I said the “bar graph” as your saying provides the average, which can be swayed. Depending how many samples you use for the average it can produce less accurate results. The Scatter graph you used to have showed flow and potential end dates when people could expect to receive their NFA items, further broken down by type. Your “average” F4 trust paper now shows 1 month and 2 days for people whom had their checks cashed during that period. Furthermore the “approval” period is 4 months and 17 days. So in this data your mixing F4 Paper Trust information into all NFA items approved in your average. So SBR, SBS, Suppressors and everything else is averaged approved but this is how your info is wrong. SBR/SBS are approved quicker than Suppressors, now your mixing the info…. The old scattered graph/excel document could have been filtered to weed out this information if not needed. I will give an example to show what exactly I’m talking about in case there is a mix up;

    Old NFA tracker I could download the excel document and say search for SBR results. All other information on this document is now not important to me and can be erased. I can input this data into my own document to create my own chart and see when is the best time of the year to buy, which month are faster, if approval times are longer, which states process faster (honestly there are a few states that seem to get their stamps back quicker and dealers), find others like me and anticipate when my stamps will arrive so my dealer can get a reminder I’m waiting. Most importantly I can find everyone on the site, applying for an SBR, grouped by date their checks cashed, and get my average closer to mine, by date, by type and location accounting for mail.

    Hope this explains it better, appreciate what you have done but I just miss the old information that was a bit more accurate.

    • #74096
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      The bar graph is meant to give the 12 month average. No it won’t be as accurate as the scatter graph for real time waits but it is a starting point. More graphs are coming that will break down everything such as SBR, SBS, silencers etc.

      The scatter graph has been changed back to the old style. The spread sheet and excel download are coming back soon.

      We will keep adding graphs and charts so if you want something let me know and I can have them create it.

  • #74091
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    Can I see a larger historical sample on the scatter graph? Is there a button I’m missing?

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      Look at the scatter graph this morning. It now goes back 2 years like the old one did. Also the data points are smaller as requested.

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    Nope

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    Just want to throw my two cents speculation in on this topic, so take it with a grain of salt. The data is probably displaying correctly based on the data available for the last 6 months. So the last 6 months of approvals are showing. However, a pretty big event happened in July. Regardless of your feelings on 41F, there were record numbers of forms submitted the weeks (and even days) prior to 41F. I can only imagine that such a sudden flood of new forms required the ATF to pull people away from approvals just to sort all the new forms and input them into the system. Once they got them input, they probably returned to their normal duties to work on processing and approving forms. When I submitted my form 4 trust March 22, everything indicated early september, but I just called and was told it was approved 31 Oct. I’m very happy mine is almost here. Again, just my speculation based on my experience with government work ethics.

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    according to the chart it looks like form 4 trust is approving into the middle+ of April

    my check was cashed 4-4-16…called yesterday and its still pending…..as usual im behind the masses

    glad to see things being stable at 7 months for now

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    Huggytree, you’re not the only one that’s lagging. I was seeing mid april approvals when my check cashed march 22. I’d suggest that it’s not necessarily us lagging behind the trend, it’s more that the data of the charts is lagging, but there’s nothing the site can do since it’s user-submitted data.

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    my last one was 7.5 months, but was kicked back due to an error…it was cashed 3-2-16 and received 10-20-16

    everyone so far has been kicked back due to some error except for a suppressor…im pretty much expecting it again at this point

    ive got a bunch of goodies coming so im just glad to see it becoming stable….i waited 5.5 months on the one before and that was submitted on 1/6/16……my fear was every month it was going to continue to rise a month+…extending my form 4’s into the middle of next year….was hoping to have them all before Hillary takes the oath of office, but i may have 1 left in mid Jan 17

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    Good news today!

    Form 4 Trust
    Pending: 3/29/16
    Approved: 10/31/16

    Don’t have the stamp yet, but it should be on it’s way soon.

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    I just called to check the status on my Form 4 trust suppressor transfer. As mentioned above the wait time recording has extended to 8 months. My check was cashed April 19th, I first called in August and was told pending and was again told pending today. Today was 200 days since the check cashed.

    • #74535
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      My check was cashed April 27,called on November 7,still pending 2 F4 trust,gonna miss rifle season,that sucks

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    I’m right behind ya, LEOshorty. Check cashed 4/25.

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    I have been waiting nearly FOUR MONTHS for my stamp fee to be processed by ATF. The Form 4 was submitted July 6th by Priority Mail and received in Atlanta on July 8th. I’ve made two calls to ATF, and was told both times that they had not caught up to my submission date yet. WTH?? I called two weeks ago and I was told they were processing July 7th, and to call back in a couple weeks. Well, I’ll call Monday. I’ve pretty much resigned myself to bad news (lost, misplaced, can’t find, whatever). I really don’t want to have to resubmit, especially under the 41F rules, but we’ll see…
    By the way, time since purchase has already been 236 days. Yep. And the Form 4 isn’t even in their long mill yet

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      Called today. Get this: The gal told me my stamp fees were paid July 11th, which started the processing. However, my checks were not cashed and no ATF ACH transaction has hit my bank account. Strange. I told her that, and she simply said that their records show it paid 7/11, and it was in process. I’ve been holding the funds in my checking account awaiting ATF, but I guess I’ll put the money in savings so it can earn all the big interest…?
      She told me to expect a March approval if all is ok with my submission.

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        Djunkins, I would personally make sure I kept the funds to cover those checks available in your checking account until after you have stamps in hand.

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    It’s good to see someone chime in with a tail end of March approval. djunkins, at first I thought you were bitching because of a four month wait on the form, but I see you’re talking about the check being cashed. I’d be pissed too. I had the form 3 to my dealer get lost and subsequently it took as long as a form 4. If that hadn’t happened I would probably have my stamp already and it’s for a 30 thousand dollar MG, I purchased it almost a year ago also (Dec 2015). Now it’s caught up in the 41F madness, check cashed 8 APR and now it’s hard to find reliable data on when the hell I’ll get my stamp. NFA is what it is but 41F has been a huge cluster for us all, ironically I think it’s because of us all getting scared and dropping a ton of forms.

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    I did a Form 4 trust back in Feb with Silencer Shop. Check cashed on April 9th… Nothing yet… I heard from Silencer Shop saying taking 7-8 months for old form 4 trust approval prior to July 2016… Dunno what’s accurate. Any new info would be nice. Been waiting since Feb. when I made purchase.

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    The ATF is still working on April approvals, with a smattering of reported May approvals.

    June submissions won’t be here this year, you can give up all hope on that.

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    Wow Kawgomoo……you sure are a ray of sunshine…LOL

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    lol i know right? Having 20G’s or so out floating around for the past 8 months has made me rather bitchy…

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    some of us have much more than $20,000 waiting

    but congrats on buying something very nice!

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    You mean to tell me i could have got more for the kidney?

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    Well I have one check cashed April 7th, I’m hoping it’ll be back before I leave for a trip in a week! I suppose I could call and check tomorrow.

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    I got a 5/12 submission approved today. 11/07

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      Congratulations! Looks like you got in under the wire before the 41F crunch started, when it was “only” 6 months. ?

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    I mailed a form 4 trust April 30 and check cashed May 4th as of October 31 it was still pending. Maybe I should give em a call back

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    Wait time was 5 months on the ATF answering machine when i submitted, took 5.99999 months lol. so i guess they were right!

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    Aw man. Kawgomoo, it was an F4 trust? Holy crap.

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    I agree, such variance on times!

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    Mere speculation but to me it seems to be somewhat examiner dependent as well as workload. You get lucky and draw one of the old hands you get your toys faster.

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    F1 Trust Efile. Examiner was Jason Forsh…… something {couldn’t read the chicken scratch}. lol

    Ive got 2 may 15 Trust Paper F4’s pending, so ill let you know when i see those.

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    Ok I take that back then, pretty consistent on times. Six months on F1, seven months on F4.

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    Might be Frushour…he’s on one of my form 4s.

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    So the Efile for form 4 has been down since 2014?? If this is true, why are there new submissions on the graph?!?

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      A lot of people mistakenly put that they e-filed a form 4 when it was really a form 1. You’re always going to have people who don’t understand how to input the data and skew it.

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        Worst news EVER!!

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    As a scientist I would take scrutiny to the outlying data points, and use standard deviation tolerances to remove the erroneous values. There are a lot of people who fill out the points incorrectly on this website and it skews the actual data. For example I have seen a lot of people who put “Form 4 Trust” as the type and then SBR as the item. Is it possible they’re buying a factory SBR? Yes. But those types of points should have an extra verification process.

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      That is coming. I wanted to get the graphs back online so people would see progress. In the next few weeks we will work on getting rid of the outlying points.

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      There’s just that one point on F4 Paper Trust graph, 495 days, that’s compressed the y-axis so that the graph is a lot harder to work with. I’d really like to see that point deleted.

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    I called today, they updated the voice menu to say 8 months turn around time. A form from April 3rd is still in Pending status. I’m hoping it will be done before I head out of town in a week, but that seems slim. Unless they somehow approve it tomorrow.

    Americans paid almost $100 MILLION in tax stamps, and they are dying to hire two more people.

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    Update to former post.
    Just in time for the election!

    Form 4 Trust
    Submitted: 3/29
    Approved: 10/31
    Stamp arrived: 11/8

    Pretty fast turn around, as I was told that the stamp may not arrive before 12/1.

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    hopefully i get my stamp soon. My cash check/card charged was 3/28. cant wait to get my Omega 9k

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    Looks like they’re updating the graph, shifting the dates a month or so to the left. I suspected they weren’t really into April yet…

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      The data was correct but it wasn’t communicating with Google Graphs. It has been fixed so we should be good to go now. If you see any bugs let me know.

      There are still some from April but it looks like it shifted back about 2 weeks.

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    geez…….it just keeps changing, are we going to get some stable graphs? How can all the graphs be so far apart? How can what’s been entered be wrong by 2 weeks?

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      It is stable now. The issue is that Google was reading the data wrong for the graph. The data was correct but was importing wrong. It is good now.

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    How are people getting their credit card charged? Did I miss a memo somewhere?

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    Hey NFA Tracker team. I have seen a ton of complaints about the new website and no thank yous. I wanted to drop you guys a quick line and say thank you for your efforts and the new site looks great! Last time I checked, I haven’t paid dime to use this site/service and therefore appreciate you efforts much more than a paid for service. I appreciate what do and can’t wait for my cans to get out of jail!

    For all those that complain well…. screw them!

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      Thanks for the support. This is something that people are passionate about so I understand that there is some frustration. Things have come along ways in just a week. You should see some new graphs and things today.

      As I’ve said in the past if there is something that you want to see chart wise then let me know. I have a list of suggestions that we are working on. The goal is to has as much data as possible for the NFA community.

    • #74453
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      hyla8221,
      I second the motion! NFA Tracker, thanks for doing this thankless job. You have been responsive to my multiple support requests, I have not paid a penny for the info provided here or the utility of such, yet the site is constantly getting better (thanks sponsors!). Keep it upz!

      • #74911
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        You clearly have no idea how much revenue a site like this can make with enough traffic. I do appreciate the service but highly doubt it is being crafted without profit in mind.

        BW

  • #74414
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    My check was cashed April 4th and was approved November 8th. Form 4 trust, recce 5 suppressor.

  • #74460
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    TrooperBrian: excel point! My biggest pet peeve on this sight might be the raw data being presented without any filtering/verification as to its accuracy.

    NFA Tracker: thank you!

  • #74512
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    Is it accurate to say the more approved stamps you have, the faster all subsequent stamps get approved?

  • #74514
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    No. It doesn’t matter if it’s your first stamp or your 100th stamp, it gets processed the same. But if you’re at 100 stamps, I would have bought myself a lifetime FFL and bypassed this whole process!

    Americans are expected to file 481,000 forms this year. Divided among 26 examiners working 261 days a year, that’s over 9 forms per hour. I’ve worked as a compliance auditor, and it is soul sucking work to look at the same form for days and days on end.

    These poor NFA people are quite honestly being worked to the bone because they don’t get a penny of the $100 million tax stamp revenue and are dying to hire 2 extra examiners, even though they could use probably 20 more. I’d be sending them a thank you card and a box of candy if I thought it would even reach the examiners.

  • #74621
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    HOLLALUYA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    CHECK CASHED 4/11/16
    PENDING SINCE JUNE
    APPROVED 11/16/16

    I HOPE MY DEALER CALLS IN A FEW WEEKS, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! I’LL HAVE IT FOR PART OF VA DEER SEASON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • #74624
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    CAN THE DEALER THAT MY CAN WAS TRANSFERED TO USE THE SILENCER THAT I PURCHASED IN THEIR STORE AS DEMO WHILE IVE BEEN WAITING TO BE APPROVED FOR IT ?

  • #74660
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    So why does the “average wait time” graph have a form 4 Efile if the ATF hasn’t accepted Efile for a form 4 since 2012?

    • #74661
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      The label is wrong. They are working on fixing it.

      Also efiles went down in 2013.

  • #74684
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    Just called ATF and form 4 approved on 11-12-16 with a check cashed date o 4-5-16.

  • #74725
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    My form 4 trust went into pending 3-29-16 “cashed/card charged”, and was approved 11-12-16. So about 228 days, now just waiting on my tax stamp to arrive at my FFL dealer!! excited for my Omega 9k! Next waiting on my Osprey .45, sitting at 211 day so far.

  • #74807
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    Check cashed/pending 8 Apr

    Approved- 20 Nov

    Yes!!!

  • #74848
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    Paperwork mailed 3/22/16
    Check chased/Pending 3/29/16
    Approved 11/13/16
    Stamp Received 11/22/16

    Door to Door turn around by my calculations 238 days…so pretty on the mark of ATF statement for 8 months

    • #74876
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      what state was that in?

  • #74879
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    Form 4 Trust (Ohio)
    paperwork received 3/29/16
    Approved 11/10/16
    Picked up at dealer 11/18/16

    1st suppressor, most fun I have had in a long time!

    • #75373
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      In Ohio as well, trust also.

      Check cashed 5/3…

      Through SilencerShop

      Still waiting

  • #74893
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    Finally! 223 days.

    Rugged Surge 7.62 Silencer
    Order Placed: Feb. 29th
    Paperwork sent to ATF: Mar. 31st
    Checked Cashed: April 11th
    Form 3 Disposed: May 6th
    FFL received Suppressor: May 9th
    Form 4 Approved: Nov. 19th
    Form 4 Tax Stamp received: TBD

    • #74963
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      Finally! 223 days.

      Rugged Surge 7.62 Silencer
      Order Placed: Feb. 29th
      Paperwork sent to ATF: Mar. 31st
      Checked Cashed: April 11th
      Form 3 Disposed: May 6th
      FFL received Suppressor: May 9th
      Form 4 Approved: Nov. 19th
      Form 4 Tax Stamp received: TBD

      I assume you meant Feb. 31st for paperwork sent, not March, right?

  • #74905
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    update, still waiting on my stamp to be received at my FFL :/ about 1.5 weeks ugh

  • #74934
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    va65guy
    I’m not an attorney but I’ll bet it’s illegal for that dealer to use your silencer while you’re waiting for ATF approval. That is your property and I would not appreciate that if I were in your situation. I know it’s definitely immoral. I live in the Lynchburg Va. area and my class 3 dealer would never do such a thing. If it bothers you, try to find a dealer with a better conscience. If you’re anywhere close to Lynchburg and want to know my class 3 dealer is 1st class. It sucks to spend that much money and be treated like crap. In my opinion that is a huge issue these days, there is a lack of consideration in a lot of people especially in business.

    • #74972
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      I didn’t mean that they did , I was just wondering if they could.

  • #74959
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    Purchased 2/27 (NINE MONTHS as of today!), check cashed 4/6, form 3 approved 5/6, still waiting, will be calling ATF this week if I don’t hear anything. I would hope it’s approved and is in transit to dealer. These dates align pretty close to the post a few about this so that’s encouraging.

    Irritating that it took five weeks to cash the week when I read case after case of others getting cashed in one or two. How can there be that much disparity in examiners’ work loads?

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    • #74969
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      I don’t think it’s a workload issue. I think that some examiners are newer or temporary and take their time so they don’t mess up. I have a friend with a mid March form 4 that’s also still pending.

      • #75031
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        I made a long post about this before. Mathematically speaking, they are expected to process 8-10 forms an hour. Which is a lot of forms per hour for how many sheets are in one form. Five or more days a week. Every week, all year.

    • #75155
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      Had the same thing happen to me Tf2addict. Form 4 submitted 3/18 and check cashed on 4/22. Had 2 other cans submitted 4/7 and they both had check cashed dates of 4/12. I called the ATF to find out why the delay in cashing the 3/18 check. Was told by ATF person that the credit card on file for payment of the tax stamp (Silencer Shops Credit card) was declined and had to be resubmitted. Called Silencer Shop to get info and they said possibly the ATF entry of CC payment may have been keyed in wrong but that all was good. Who knows. I still have not received approval on the two 4/7 Form 4’s or the 3/18 Form 4 yet. Called right before thanksgiving and was told that they are all still pending. The wait continues.

      • #75174
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        There were a lot like that.

        The issue is that F4 submissions go to a P.O. Box in Atlanta, where B.O.A. opens everything and processes the payments. With card submissions, they try entering the numbers exactly once. If it doesn’t run through, even if it didn’t work because they entered the information wrong, that’s all she wrote: Then they pack it back up and return it to the applicant.

  • #74973
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    Picked up my new suppressor Friday from my dealer that I was hoping to have for deer season, Shot a nice 8 point whitetail in the woods using it on Saturday afternoon , hearing safety in the woods ,gotta love it. !!!!!!

  • #74974
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    Also picked mine up on Friday (Cashed 4/9 Approved 11/19 Stamp delivered 11/25).

  • #75048
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    2 cans purchased On July 6th 2016, differnet dealers. one was received and cashed on July 12. the other was mailed on the 11th according to the dealer. ATF has NOT keyed it in to my name yet. The dealer says other guys in that package sent in have received a cashed date. I guess mine was split in a different stack. The ATF lady said they are still keying in stuff from July 18th. So its not looking good for me. I guess I’m gonna be on the tail end of the 8 month wait time. lol. At least my efiled form 1 should come quicker. maybe.

    • #75175
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      Don’t feel bad: I’ve been calling to find out when they cashed the check I sent with an F1 on July 12th, and their answer has been “It must not be in yet, try again in a week or two” for the last two months.

  • #75071
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    Got mine today, Cashed 4/4 Approved 11/14 Stamp delivered 11/30.

    It’s going to be interesting to watch the tracker chart curve drop next year. Better yet, the whole need for this tracker stuff to go away 🙂

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  • #75075
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    Picked up suppressor yesterday. Check cashed 4-5-16, approved 11-12-16, Stamp delivered 11-25-16, but dealer didn’t call me. I dropped by on 11-29-16 and found out it was in.

  • #75081
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    checked cashed 4/11/16
    approved 11/17/16
    got stamp 11/30/16

  • #75089
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    NFA item: Suppressor
    Form type: Paper form 4
    Transferee type: Trust
    Filed date: 3/21/2016 – through silencershop
    Approved: 11/21/2016
    Stamp Received: 11/30/16

    Of the 5 NFA items I’ve waited on I’ve never called the ATF in WV asking about the status, until today. That’s right, I called this morning (11/30/16) and they said it had been approved approx 1.5wk prior. And then about 6 hours later my FFL called me saying the stamp came in! Amazing!

    From date of check cashed to approved date: 226 days or 7 months 12 days

    From date of check cashed to stamp received date: 235 days or 7 months 21 days

  • #75152
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    UPDATE:
    Check cashed 3/29/16
    approved 11/12/16
    Stamped received/picked up:12/2/16 “248 days total”

    Finally, Omega 9K out of jail

  • #75165
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    Received: 04/07/2016
    Cashed: 04/08/2016 (Paper Check)
    Received At Dealer: 11/29/2016

    Picked Up: July 2017 when I return from task force. 🙁

  • #75192
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    For what its worth I purchased 2 machine guns from Ruben Mendiola in Miami in mid March. Stamp was approved Oct. 28 and Rueben called me the morning of Nov. 8 immediately after opening the ATF mail. I got my two new guns and a new President on the same day. The guy who had the appointment after me was picking up FORTY THREE machine guns! Oh the envy 🙁

  • #75196
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    Update:

    F4 Trust

    Pending- 8 Apr 16

    Approved- 20 Nov 16

    Received- 3 Dec 16

    My MG is finally home!!

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    Hooray ????

  • #75199
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    Form 4 Trust
    Check cashed 4/12
    Approved 11/25. That’s actually the last time I called. Must have approved that afternoon.
    Won’t be long now!

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  • #75256
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    just some porn lol. my Omega 9k, need to go shooting this weekend. been too busy. Hopefully my Osprey .45 gets approved in the same amount of time.

    -Form 4 trust: Osprey .45
    -Check cashed: 4/21/16
    -still Pending

    My Omega 9k! whoot!!
    Omega 9k

  • #75300
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    I have a question that maybe someone maybe able to answer. I purchased a suppressor in late March 2016. ATF states that the received date for Form 4 is July 15, 2016. Dealer stated he mailed within 1 week of purchase so post office date should be earlier. Any idea if they are logging in received date as, when they get to the forms in the pile. Don’t feel like having to send pics and cards due to ATF error. I guess i’ll be waiting a full year before I get it…lol…sob

    • #75303
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      I guess I’m a little confused. Usually you’re the one who files your own paperwork, not the dealer. That way you can send it Priority Mail or otherwise and have full control over the process. If I mail a paper check and USPS, the debit usually shows up the next BUSINESS DAY after it is received. The fact that a few months went by tells me that someone isn’t telling the truth.

      • #78895
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        Payment and trust papers were sent to the dealer. He charged my card and sent in the paperwork. That is how I did it with another place too for another suppressor. It was not Silencershop.

  • #75304
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    Was the dealer silencer shop? They have been known to sit on forms. For instance on the 14th of July they sent in about 10,000 forms in…I am willing to bet that was not a week of sales. Which means they sat on forms.

    • #75329
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      Actually that was 3 days worth of forms from the weekend. They don’t file the form 4 at the same time as the form 3. They file the form 4 after the form 3.

  • #75305
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    My form 4 for a specwar762 was approved 11/20 (check cashed 4/12). The local dealer I bought it from still hasn’t received the stamp. Should I be worried that my stamp got lost or just wait it out a little longer because of Thanksgiving?

  • #75306
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    MDHUGHES, I am in the exact same position. Two cans purchased through Silencer Shop, via a Trust, approved 11/20, Check Chased 4/12, should be any minute for us! I am in MD so I can’t imagine the mail from West VA taking that long.

  • #75309
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    General rule of thumb is if the stamp is not received within 30 days of the approval you should call the ATF and they will re-issue a duplicate to the dealer.

  • #75337
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    Well atleast I know I’m not the only one just patiently waiting…PATIENTLY…WAITING!!

  • #75339
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    Cashed 4/29 still waiting.

    • #75540
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      Called yesterday……. still pending.

      • #75751
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        Approved 12/19 waiting on stamp.

  • #75383
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    Form 4 trust: purchased can 4/2 pending 4/18 approved 12/7 wait finally over!!!! Well sort of over I still have to wait for the stamp

  • #75384
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    just called on mine….cashed 4/25…not approved yet…last item less than 30 days ago took 7 months to approve(7.5 months to deliver)….looks like this item is going to be 8 months until its delivered…..things are still rising….im wonder when the recording will say 9 months to approval at the NFA?

    i have 3 items still pending(form 4 trust)…when i purchased i was told 4 months…my guess is my last item will be 10 months at this rate

  • #75388
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    Just wait until the 1-17 july numbers start to hit! We are going to be at 12-14 months sooner than you think.

  • #75409
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    Check cashed 4/12
    Approved 11/25
    Received ???

    It never hurts to call the dealer. I called today, said that the ATF approved 2 weeks ago, and asked if they kept up with their mail. He said, “He hasn’t gotten to today’s mail yet, but if yours is in there, he’ll call you”

    He called, I went and picked it up!!!

    Postmark on the letter is 11/28, so I have a hunch the stamp sat there for about a week.

  • #75506
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    Recce 7
    Purchased 1/25
    Form 3 Approved 4/15
    Form 4 Submitted 4/18
    Check cashed/Pending 4/25
    Approved 12/7
    Stamp received?????

  • #75512
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    Cashed 4/11
    Approved 11/20
    Received: ????

    I called ATF and I was told they have 10 days to mail it to the dealer.

  • #75513
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    Recce 7
    Purchased 1/25
    Form 3 Approved 4/15
    Form 4 Submitted 4/18
    Check cashed/Pending 4/25
    Approved 12/7
    Stamp received 12/13

    Six days in the mail….not too shabby!

  • #75517
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    Got two F4’s trust paper,check cashed 4/27/16,date approved 12/12/16,stamps received????????,229 days from check cashed to approved,hopefully my cans will be out of jail soon

  • #75519
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    Glad to start seeing a couple end of April approvals!!! My check was cashed May 5th that means I’m getting closer!!

  • #75521
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    Hang in there,it shouldn’t be long,I know the wait is ####

  • #75537
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    Form 4 Trust
    Check Cashed 4/26
    Approved 12/13

  • #75629
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    Well my stamp was approved by ATF on 12/2, but as of Friday my dealer still had not received it. I keep hoping I’ll have it before Christmas… Check was cashed April 19th so today is 8 months.

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    • #75635
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      Did you check with the dealer? Don’t assume that they don’t have it just because they haven’t called you.

    • #75637
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      Man don’t say that,I was approved 12/12,check cashed 4/27/16,called on the 13,I think the lady said they have up to 10 days to mail them,I also heard that 30 days after approval you can call and request duplicates made and sent.good luck Merry Christmas

  • #75656
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    Form 4 Trust (2 separate cans)

    Check Cashed 4/29/16
    Approved (both) 12/17/16

  • #75674
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    Merry Christmas to me! Dealer called with stamp in hand today so I picked up my Gemtech GM22 today! I will post a review soon but I am already impressed with it after 60 rounds.

  • #75680
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    Free at last,dealer called today,both stamps,check cashed 4/27/16,approved 12/12/16,stamps received 12/20/16,237 days from check cashed to stamps received,hang in there everyone,the world will turn,MERRY CHRISTMAS,HAPPY NEW YEAR

  • #75693
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    Cashed/Pending: 4/11
    Approved 11/20
    Received: 12/17

    I called FFL first week of December, they said they typically call same day they receive stamp. I ended up going in over the weekend and what do ya’know? stamp is in for one of the cans. It never hurts to stop in for a conjugal visit.

    My other one:

    Cashed: 4/29
    Pending: 5/2 (always thought these were cashed and go pending at the same time)
    Approved: ??? (called this morning still pending)

  • #75745
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    F4 trust (paper).
    Cashed/pending: 4/29/16
    Approved: 12/16/16
    Still waiting on stamp.

  • #75774
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    Form 4 trust went pending May 6th still pending 12/28…235 days and counting

  • #75782
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    Form 4 trust went pending may
    5th still pending 12/28….
    236 days and counting.

  • #75783
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    Please pardon my noobness here, but how are ya’ll getting this ‘Cashed/Pending/Approved’ status updates? Are you calling the ATF to find out?

    The only thing I know is my two checks were cashed within a week after my trust was submitted (May 15th-ish) because I checked my online bank account.

    BD

    • #75784
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      Yes call the atf and they will
      tell you when your cashed date was
      and if it’s pending or approved.

  • #75785
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    Is there anyway to cancel a Form 4? Mine was sent back to the dealer for a typo (one digit off on the zip code). The dealer said that he corrected it and sent in back and that I’d “should” be approved before the end of the month…yup, December. My form was submitted in April, check not cashed and I’ve been told here and from the ATF that I go back to the bottom of the list.
    If that’s the case, I’m not waiting an additional eight months for approval. Pretty stupid that I’d have to wait 16 months for something I paid for back in April.

    • #75792
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      you wont go to the bottom of the pile. youll just get pushed back until the examiner who did your form is finished with whatever form(s) he or she moved on to after yours was sent back. usually a couple weeks.

      • #75806
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        So the ATF is wrong? And the basis for your conclusion that the ATF will not do just as they said they did (or would) by sending it to the bottom of the pile, given that none of his information is in the system and the check isn’t cashed?

        The ATF specifically told me during a brief that if they find an initial fatal flaw prior to cashing the check or running the card that they will kick it back to the applicant for a re-submission, not a “correction”. If they find a fatal flaw during the entry of the application into system and after cashing the check, they will issue a refund and return the application for re-submittal. That means to the back of the line. And in his case with the timing and with so many applications being submitted to could mean MONTHS of difference in approval.

        Optimism, hoping and wishing isn’t a good strategy, especially when dealing with the government.

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  • #75795
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    how is it they held onto your form 4 w/o cashing the check? ill bet your mistaken….all of my form 4’s were check cashed within 7-10 days of mailing them in

    ive had 2 kicked back….ive had my stamp within 10-14 days after the correction…so i believe your close

    ive heard they have someone look at the form before it goes to the inspector…they weed out problems ahead of time, so i dont even know if you lost any time at all….

    getting forms kicked back seems common….both of my kick backs were for multiple reasons, each one had 1 odd aspect….one even had some issue with WI law and needed some statement added for them to accept it…none of the other form 4’s needed this wording…its just a crap shoot with who you get and how fussy they are.

    good luck

  • #75797
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    2 Form 4’s

    1. YHM Phantom Ti 556 suppressor
    Check cashed 4/8/2016
    Approved 11/21/2016
    Still waiting on stamp

    2. Huntertown Guardian 22 suppressor
    Check cashed 4/28/2016
    Approved 12/21/2016
    Waiting on stamp

  • #75804
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    Form 4 Trust,

    Check cashed 6/21/16, Hopefully some time in Feb. Just got my Form 1 from May 28th. You think that they would do them at the same time. But no that would of been efficient.

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  • #75811
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    Had my omega 30 sent back for a correction on December 21st,dealer corrected paperwork was sent back next day and was approved today stamp on its way also have a sure fire Ryder 22a that went pending may 5th and was approved on December 24th.

    • #75812
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      Yes, but your check was cashed and your application was in the system. Don’t confuse your case with his.

      Hopefully his case is like yours, but it is highly doubtful given that the ATF TOLD HIM it was going to the bottom of the pile.

  • #75813
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    how would they just hold onto your form for months and not cash the check? the check is cashed within a week…not 6-8 months later……why isnt your check cashed?

    the letter says ” your going to the bottom of the pile?”’

    where does it say this?

    if you check was cashed and you just got a letter stating you need to make a correction then your 2 weeks or less away from your item….

    the situation doesnt make sense from my experience with multiple form 4’s over the past few months

    where was your check since April? why didnt they cash it in April?

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  • #75821
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    In short, what the above link says is that if it is entered into the system, it will say pending. If you receive your package back BEFORE it is entered in the system (and is listed as pending) then you have never started the process, your package has no “place in line” and is simply treated as a new application and it begins anew….at the bottom of the pile.

    Do not confuse the above situation with a package that has been entered into the system, is pending, then has been reviewed right prior to approval and a correctable administrative error is found……when that is returned for correction, you will keep your place in line and when the correction is returned the package will likely be approved shortly thereafter.

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  • #75836
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    On a whim I called again yesterday. My form 4 was approved on the 14th of December. I am confused because when I called on the 23rd, they told me it was “Pending.” Yesterday when I called, the lady that told me it was approved on the 14th also told me that if my dealer does not get the paperwork within 30 days, he can call and request a copy. I called my bank and my check has still not been cashed. Not sure what to think about that.
    Is it always this big of a hassle to get a stamp?

    • #75847
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      Whoa! Talk about lucky! You got caught in a massive confusion mess and it cam out right for you. And it looks like you may get a “ATF stupidity” discount on top of it.

      Glad you didn’t get dropped to the back like the ATF has been telling folks they have done.

  • #75910
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    My check took five weeks to cash so 7-10 days is extremely good, it can be a lot worse.

  • #76403
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    Who do I contact for info on a paper form 4 trust on a suppressor bought at a LGS? Form 4 dated June 2, credit card charged July 8. I was beginning to wonder where I might be in the line. I know the LGS will contact me when approved but just wondering who I might call.

    • #76407
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      If you read some of the other threads you will see they are on applications with checks cashed mid-May. You will also read that there are many, many submissions around that time period and that you are likely several months out…maybe out until July for your approval. If you call ATF the best they can tell you is that you are pending.

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  • #77532
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    I contacted the NFA at the 6 month time (Dec. 2016) and they said it was looking more like 8 months. I called a few days ago and it was still pending. The bar chart makes it appear as the wait is now 10 months. I wish there was a good hard answer on this wait period.

  • #77768
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    First NFA item (Surefire RC2 5.56), filling out form 1 as we speak

    From Silencer Shop

    Order Placed : 01/13/2017
    Form 3 : Disposed 02/24/2017
    Form 4 : Submitted 01/16/2017
    Check Cashed : 02/27/2017

    Now the wait for the Approval

  • #78038
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    No posts to form 4 trust in a week. Seems like folks are getting their calls and abandoning this site once it’s no use. Please enter your info.

    • #78039
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      This right here ^. This has always been the problem with this site. It is only as strong as its users.

      • #78041
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        It’d be great if one of the sponsors, or a couple, would port in redacted data to keep the sample size large – maybe SilencerShop or someone? More data points is always good.

        • #78045
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          That is coming at some point.

  • #78040
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    Thanks to some sort of snafu, my FFL that’s sitting on my 2 cans (SilencerCo Hybrid, SilencerCo Sparrow) got their FFL license pulled.

    This joy just gets better and better and better… no telling now HOW long this is going to take to get me my cans…

    BD

  • #78043
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    Am I the only one out there still waiting for their stamp on a form 4 paper trust for a suppressor with a check cashed date of 5-30-2016? Anyone? Anyone?
    I am seeing stamps are being received from check cashed dates in June.

  • #78044
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    I am still waiting on a F4 Trust approval on a suppressor from 5/20/2016, but…..there was a serial # goof on the Form 4 so who knows how long that will take to straighten out.

  • #78060
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    My paper F4’s were submitted 5/19/16 approved 2/4/17 and 2/23/17 the one on the 23rd needed a correction and photos. Both stamps were received last saturday 3/4/17

    My june stamp is still pending, last week she told me to call back this week and check on it should be good to go.

  • #78062
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    still waiting june 14 check cashed have not called in but i plan on doing it tomorrow. i would think any day now. also waiting on a form 1 that should be anyday also.

  • #78063
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    After I posted earlier I sent my FFL a snippy email and he said they should be getting their license back next Tuesday…. and my goodies should be available by then…

    You’ll forgive me if I don’t hold my breath on this….

    grrrrrrrrrrrrr

  • #78064
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    I think the confusion arises from the 12-month moving average on the front page vs. the 3-month moving average which is more accurate given the growing lead time over the last few months.

    Just look at the 3-month moving average graph, and you will see that the average pending period is 244 days, as opposed to the 181-days of the 12-month graph (Form 4 Trust).

    Anyway we shall see which is correct: my check cashed 7/22/2016, should have a stamp issued in about two weeks, if my theory is correct.

    • #78069
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      Good luck. Realistically you will have your stamp issued 2nd-3rd week of April.

      • #78113
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        Yes, I think you are right. Most recent approvals have taken 267 days, which would put me at 4/14, however extrapolating the trend from check cashing last May to last June appears that the processing time increases by 16 days for each month. So another 16 days: 4/30.

  • #78065
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    How do I turn off emails from this thread thanks new to the site

    • #78114
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      click on your name in a post, it will bring you to your profile, look for the link on left that says subscriptions, click the x by each subscription that deletes them.

  • #78071
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    happy days, just called on my form 4 for my sandman Ti she said it was approved yesterday 3/8/2017 check was cashed june 14th 2016.

    now the wait to get to my dealer they say up to 30 days? hell i could drive there in less than that.

    can bought 4-15-16
    form 3 done 6-9-16
    form 4 sent in 6-11-16
    check cashed 6-14-16
    approved 3-8-17
    received ??

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  • #78075
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    They tell you 30 days, meaning they won’t issue a certified copy until 30 days has passed if you haven’t got your stamp yet. The snail mail is taking about 5-6 days right now, thats from West Virginia to Arizona. You might get yours sooner if you’re closer to WV

    • #78076
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      cool yes i have looked and most guys are getting them 7-12 days after approval. i am in iowa so that may help too. thanks.

  • #78083
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    Just talked to ATF. She says they are on June applications right now. Mines from the 12th, not yet approved. YMMV

  • #78092
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    Was contacted by NFA Branch today.

    Polytech PF85 AKMS – forms went “Pending” on June 14, 2016.
    Was notified TODAY that forms are being returned for correction because the dealer incorrectly entered some information.

    It was supposed to be approved yesterday. In the mail today…Now it’s at minimum another 3 weeks.

  • #78097
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    I called yesterday to check on my form 4 trust that went pending on 6/13. Still pending, the nice lady on the other end said to expect at least another month. I really hope that means tI’ll the stamp is at my dealer and not till approval.

    I see people getting approved right around my date and am starting to get anxious.

    • #78099
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      I called today also, Form 4 trust pending 6/14, still pending…….

    • #78143
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      Another month!? Mine cashed the day after you 6/14. Man I’m glad I didn’t wait until July, I can only imagine how long that will take…

  • #78104
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    Form 4 trust.
    Cashed-6/13/16
    Approved-3-6-17
    Tracker-Updated.

  • #78130
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    Form 4 trust
    Purchased 5/26/16
    Cashed 6/2/16
    Approved 2/23/17
    Received 3/10/17
    Tracker Updated

  • #78134
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    Of course the stamp shows up the day I’m leaving town for almost two weeks 🙁

    Form 4 Trust
    Cashed 06/14/2016
    Approved 03/04/2017
    Received 03/10/2017
    Tracker Updated

    • #78142
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      I should be close! My check cashed the same day as yours 6/14/16.

    • #78154
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      I have a 6/14 check cashed date also. I called Friday and I am still pending….

    • #78156
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      What state are you in. Mine was approved at the same time but no stamp yet. Who was your examiner?

      • #78157
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        I am in Indiana.

        • #78161
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          You would think I would have gotten mine by now. I live in North Carolina. The examiner may be on the approved stamp or try callin. Since it was approved they should give it to you.

      • #78158
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        I’m in Arizona. I don’t know how to check my examiner. Do you just call them? I was hoping to have it for coyote season but that came and went!

        • #78162
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          I’m gonna wait til things settle down before buying another suppressor or SBR. too much frustration. I have a pistol can and soon to be a .30 cal can and that should cover anything I have. I still think there are good examiners who work all day and examiners that spend the better part of their day goofing off. Too bad they all can’t be good.

          • #78163
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            I can sympathize. But I think it’s important to support the industry right now. Even if it takes a long time we are helping the cause by buying their products.

            • #78169
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              While I understand that we need to support the industry, I am starting to feel that a right delayed is a right denied. For it to take 9-10 months to look at a piece of paper is ludicrous. To me, its not the paperwork, the background check, or even the $200 tax, its the ongoing and lengthening waiting period..
              I’ll wait awhile for the next one or two…

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  • #78147
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    Zero sympathy for yall. I have two approved cans with stamps sitting next to them I won’t be back to pick up until June. XD

    • #78149
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      Where are you at TB?

      Brad

  • #78155
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    My form 4 Trust had a cashed date of 6/12 and was approved 3/4/2017. Nearly a year after I purchased it. Ridiculous. I still have not been called by the dealer. Go figure!!? Hang in there with the 6/14 date. It may have been approved by now or the near future.

  • #78160
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    My Form 4 Trust, check cashed June 13th, 2016, Approved 3/3/2017 and picked it up at my dealer today 3/11/2017.

    Tracker data updated.

    Have another Form 4 Trust for a second suppressor check cashed June 14th 2016, will update when received.

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  • #78167
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    Dshot1,
    I won a .22 suppressor from Thompson Machine on 3/1/2016. Form 3 was filed in 2 days. That didn’t get approved until middle of June. My form 4 was dine as soon as my dealer got the can. At ATF on 6/22. So I have been waiting for over a year now. And don’t expect that one till mid April. If I’m lucky.

    Hopefully my 6/13 on is any day now…

  • #78175
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    I’m a vary patient person but seriously!! These waiting times are a joke. If this is the best they can do then something is wrong with the System. Unbelievable.

  • #78197
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    Mr O’Crap
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    Starting to get extremely irritated…

    I tried calling ATF this morning to get an update regarding my suppressor. All calls are going straight to voicemail now. You can’t even talk to a person anymore?!

    Form 4 Trust
    Submitted: 07/05/16
    Pending: 07/11/16

    Current wait time: 246 days and counting…

    My CC was going to expire soon and I didn’t want to risk it being declined for a bad expiration date, so I paid with a cashier’s check. I don’t know when the check actually cleared, if it even has cleared yet.

    • #78198
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      You are going to be a while. Go to the bank that issued the cashiers check and they can tell you when it cleared. That’s what I did.

  • #78200
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    Information posted in tracker:

    In stock
    Purchased 6/8/16
    Form 4 Trust sent 6/10/16
    Check Cashed 6/20/16
    Approved 3/11/17

    Called at 7:00am this morning and got confirmation on approval from ATF. Now waiting for stamp to arrive.

    • #78212
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      Yes! You are one day ahead of my submission.

      Bought the suppressor on 6/9/16, check posted to my account 6/21/16.

      Waits almost over.

  • #78209
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    Placed order on silencershop 5/1/2016
    Form 4 (trust) submitted 6/8
    Check cashed 6/13
    Form 3 disposed 7/11
    Got the call that my stamp was in today 3/13/2017

  • #78215
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    Griffin Recce 7 Mod 3
    Check Cashed – 6/10/17
    Approved – 3/12/17
    Received – N/A

    Gemtech GM-45
    Check Cashed – 6/10/17
    Approved – 3/12/17
    Received – N/A

    Gemtech GM-22
    Check Cashed – 6/10/17
    Approved – 3/12/17
    Received – N/A

  • #78220
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    Go figure?? Got my approval on 3/4/2017 and still have not received my stamp. I guess I got a lazy examiner?? The dealer I’ve been working with isn’t very forthcoming. It’s a shame you nearly have to wait nearly an entire year to get the darn thing only to wait up to another 30 days to get the stamp from the dealer. How is that approvals nearly a week after mine already have their stamps??

  • #78227
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    I Purchased three SilencerCo suppressors, through SPEC program dealer June 16, 2016.
    All three of my checks were cashed June 28, 2016.
    I called NFA branch today and was advised that all three remain pending. I was additionally told that they were just beginning to work on early June 2016 transfers.
    The NFA branch recording still says “eight months” which is already in my rearview mirror; I’m presently at 258 days and counting since checks were cashed. Tick. Tock.

  • #78234
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    Hotsmokingbrass, im right there with you with check cashed dates of june 27th.Today is my 260th day.I called last week and the lady said it should be done in march,but couldnt tell me beginning,middle,or end of march.Just continuing to wait.My july 11th submission is gonna suck,as im already 246 days into the waiting game on it.Im figuring around the 10 month mark on both

  • #78237
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    @Dshot1,
    I feel your pain, I have a check cashed date of 5-30-16
    I Called ATF mid Feb2017 and was told it was close to approval.
    Figured I would just wait until the dealer (Dakota Silencer) called to let me know
    the stamp was in. I figure any time now, but sure sucks seeing some check cashed dates of 6-6-2016
    and later have their stamp and are done with the wait while I sit empty handed.

  • #78288
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    allblues
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    AAC Element ll. Check cashed 6-10-16, approved 2-28-17, picked up at dealer 3-12-17.

  • #78304
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    Flagflyfish
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    YHM Phantom LT
    Purchased from Silencer Shop – 4/27/16
    Form 4 sent – 6/7/16
    Pending – 6/14/16
    Approved – 3/10/17……Yea!!!!!:)
    Examiner – TBD
    Stamp received – TBD

    • #78421
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      Flagflyfish
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      The stamp arrived today, 3/18. Picked it up today and will be at the range tomorrow!!

  • #78317
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    Highrdx
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    Lwrc pdw sdr (Data entered into tracker)
    Check cashed 6/22/16
    Approved 3/11/17
    Looks like they are working weekends!
    Now the long wait for my stamp!

  • #78318
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    Scorpaznatica
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    Check cashed on 06/23/16, which puts me at 265 days. I called about 3 weeks ago and was still “pending”. I was pretty patient for the first 6-7 months, but now I am starting to go stir-crazy. I have a big hunting trip planned for 04/06-04/09 and it’s not looking good…

  • #78321
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    Bought April 25 2016 after form 3 was sent form 4 was sent in 6/6/2016 check cashed 6/12/2016
    Approved 3/04/2017
    Stamp came in 3/14
    Picking up today

    • This reply was modified 5 months, 1 week ago by Profile photo of Dshot1 Dshot1.
  • #78329
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    Yes!! Waits almost over.
    Called today for the first time. Form 4 trust. Purchased suppressor 6/9/16, Check cashed 6/21/16, Approved 3/13/16.

  • #78373
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    @Pat,
    Wow, you were either lucky or good! I had a check cashed date of 5-30-16 on a form 4 trust and was just approved on 3-7-17 (281 days) Called dealer yesterday and they have not seen the paperwork yet. Almost there though. has been a long wait for sure.

    • #78381
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      Yeah I’m not sure why there’s such a wide window of approval times. Wonder if you had items approved on a trust before it speeds up the process?

  • #78382
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    Fnx45tactical
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    Sent form 4 trust 6/16/16 approved 3/12/17.
    Waiting on dealers call.

  • #78405
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    I would think that the examiners get a stack of forms. Some work faster than others so the dates are all over the place.

    Brad

  • #78413
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    Tin Cup
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    Pending 6/13
    Called 3/7, was told another month by how things were moving along.
    Dealer called 3/16, your stamp is in.
    Approved on 3/9

    And I don’t even care they were wrong. Haha
    form 4 trust suppressor.

    Maybe a couple more weeks for my 6/22 submission.

  • #78466
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    Silencer. Check cashed 6/17/2016, approved 3/14/2017, received stamp and picked up at FFL on 3/20/2017.

  • #78469
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    Form 4 Trust suppressor

    Pending 06/09/2016
    Approved 03/04/2017
    Called dealer, nothing yet….

  • #78472
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    I am back in the que, bought an Omega yesterday. Form 3 first then form 4. first post 41f for me…

  • #78480
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    PrisonDoc
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    I just had 2 approvals.

    Form 1 electronic trust
    Submitted 6/27/16
    Approved 3/21/17 – Had my approved form 1 emailed to me today.

    Form 4 paper trust
    Submitted 6/8/16
    Approved 3/13/17

  • #78517
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    Form 4 Trust
    SilencerCo Hybrid
    Check Cashed:7/6/16
    Still pending as of 3/22/17

    • #79136
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      We are pending on the same day! Should be tthis week we hear some good news!

  • #78519
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    Form 4 Trust
    Dead Air Sandman S
    6/23/16 Pending
    3/20/17 Approved
    Now…waiting on the magical stamp fairy

    • #78670
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      Well….stamp fairy showed up today !! Approved 3/20…..Stamp arrived today 3/25

      Just over 9 months of waiting.

  • #78521
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    Hi All…Form 4 trust..silencer co sparrow
    pending 6/22/2016

    just got off phone with ATF…
    “under review…we are doing june applications…should be a few more weeks….”

    what does “under review” mean…???

    Thanks All..
    pete

  • #78522
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    To Jeff: Current trend is 266 days cashed to approval. You are about a week away (3/29) if that is the case. Good luck.

    • #78524
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      I wish that was the case. I’m 269 days in

      • #78533
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        271 days for:
        Griffin Armament Checkmate QD (stacked baffle style)
        Rugged Surge 7.62
        266 days for: Rugged Obsidian 45

        Right there with A LOT of folks…triples (hopefully) 9 months later, who knew!

  • #78525
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    Almost patiently waiting!!
    Form 4 trust
    check cashed 5-30-2016
    approved 3-7-2017
    Nothing at the dealers as of 3-21
    From check cashed date it has now been 296 days and counting.

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  • #78532
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    Yea, the lady at the ATF said it was approved on Monday, and expect anywhere from 1-4 weeks for stamp delivery. That’s a helluva window.

  • #78534
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    Scorpaznatica
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    Form 4 Trust

    Check Cashed: 06/23/16
    Approved: 03/17/17

    Days to Approval: 268

    Currently waiting on call from FFL to pick up.

  • #78602
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    woodgrinder
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    Form 4 Trust
    Mailed, 6/10/16
    Don’t know when check was cashed.
    Approved 3/12/2017
    At FFL/SOT 3/23/2017

  • #78608
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    I was at my LGS today they were getting form 4 trusts back dated June 15, 2016 as of today

  • #78611
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    form 4 trust

    check cashed june 24, 2016
    approved march 19, 2017

    I called on the 21st and they told me it was still pending. I wonder if they even check the status half the times you call, it is the government after all. Whatever; at least i can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

    • #78637
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      That is exactly what I was thinking, they just say “pending” when they don’t feel like doing anything! I have 2 submissions cashed 6/21/2016 (and a couple others later). When I called last week on March 15, I was told I was still pending on both. I just called a minute ago (went right through, no wait). The one was approved March 15 (same day I was told it was still pending), and the other one March 22. I thought I had heard guys say they have been told when it is with an investigator, so I thought maybe I was just an unlucky long approval.

      Anyone, I’ll put those dates in the tracker and update when I receive the stamps.

      • #78659
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        A pending status is met when your form is finally checked in. It still has a ways to go.

        Brad

        • #78664
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          Hellrazr44
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          Fortunately, you are not correct. A couple hours after my post above from yesterday, my dealer told me he had received my stamp. No more ways to go (for this stamp), except to the range in an hour to have some fun.

          The point of my post was that I was told it was pending when I called on March 15. When I called yesterday, March 24, I was told it was actually approved on March 15. I called fairly late in the day for them on 3/15, but I guess their system still wasn’t updated with my new status.

          So, I have concluded that at this point there isn’t any reason for me to call the ATF about the other 3 stamps I’m waiting on (another was approved 3/22), since I might not even get accurate information that day and it won’t change my wait time anyway. I can distract myself with my newest toy until then.

  • #78621
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Purchase: 05/23/16

    Check Cashed 06/23/16

    Approved: 03/20/2017

    Stamped Received: ??? Hopefully not terribly long since I’m in VA, I’d imagine I’ll get it sometime the week of 03/27-/03/31.

  • #78622
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    Very soon I bet.

  • #78689
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    Deew715
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    Form 4 Paper Trust
    Forms sent 6/3/16
    Check cashed 6/17/16
    Stamp approved 3/16/17
    Form Recived 3/25/17

  • #78719
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    Hi All…Form 4 trust..silencer co sparrow..
    Pending June 16, 2016…
    Called last wed March 22, 2017..
    Was told “under review should be a few more weeks…!!!???
    286 DAYS SO FAR…..
    What does “under review” mean..???
    Thanks

  • #78720
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    dirtybird7890
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    Form 4 Trust

    check mailed 6-21-16
    check cashed 6-27-16

    APPROVED 3-24-17!!!!!!!!!
    270 days
    Awaiting arrival of stamp

    • This reply was modified 4 months, 3 weeks ago by Profile photo of dirtybird7890 dirtybird7890.
  • #78811
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    Hi All..Texas Trust Form 4..Silencer co sparrow…Called today 3/29/17.. was told “under review..” same as when i called last week March 22, 2017…What does “under review ” mean…ok..I probably should have asked but I did not want to probe and be intrusive,,,sooo..does anybody know what “under review..” means..?????
    As of March 15, 2017 it was “pending…”
    290 days so far…..!!!!!!!!! BUT I must say they were very helpful and totally professional……..
    This is TOTALLY unacceptable by any measure….Yeah..I know…like it or lump it….
    THIS SWAMP really needs draining..!!!!!!!!
    Pete

  • #78812
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    Peckerwood 80
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    I also called today and was told that my form 4 for an sbr was under review, I asked her what that meant and she told me that something needed to be corrected on my paperwork and was sent back to the dealer when I called my ffl dealer they had received the paperwork and corrected a number in the model type that did not match what the atf had soooooo almost there , what’s another three weeks. Hope that helps

    • #78815
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      Form 4 for an “SBR”… think you might be confused bud.. Wrong forum section I think you’d be best off following the “Form 1 questions” section.

      • #78816
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        Unless it’s an SBR transfer then I just might have corrected myself..

  • #78817
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    If its under review, the idiot answering the phone should pass you up to the examiner who has a question.

  • #78836
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    Hi All…OK…got it back on track this AM…Texas trust Form 4 for a silencer co sparrow..
    its been “under review” for the last two weeks….called this morning and they transferred me to the examiner ….got her voice mail…and left msg…then called my dealer & told him it is under review these last two weeks….said he made some corrections and mailed it back to the same examiner this past monday….
    meanwhile, the examiner called me back this afternoon and said the dealer placed the SAME serial number on two different applications…..and they are waiting to hear back from my dealer…told examiner corrections are on way back to her…she said ok…look for stamp in no more than 2 weeks…
    291 days so far…….

  • #78876
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    SoCalNoMore
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    Form 4 Trust credit card charnged by Dealer in June 2016.

    I called ATF today for status- I was told me control number is 2017119**.

    Please tell me the dealer did not wait until 2017 to submit my paper work!!! The 2017 part worries me since my SBR control number is 2016 for a app sent in July 2016.

  • #78903
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    Happy anniversary to my wait. I bought a Thunder Beast on 04/01/16 and am still waiting. It was back ordered, so the check didn’t get cashed until 7/22/16. I figure another month before I will see it.

  • #78908
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    Silencerco omega 30 purchased 5/26/16 paperwork mailed 6/17/16 check cashed 6/23/16 approved 3/26/17 waiting for stamp will update when arrived

  • #78911
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    3 stamps received this week. Form 4 trust. Checks all cashed 6/24/2016. All approved 3/24/2017. (9 months to the day.) Stamps all received 3/30/2017. Yaay! FWIW, the site is still not allowing me to update “My Transfers” data.

  • #78930
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    And the wait begins again I bought a sig 762 qd in January got an email from silencershop stating payment received 3/18/17 I’ll check with atf in a year and see what’s going on

    • #79146
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      i got the sig 762 also. titanium quick disconnect. bought it at silencer shop 10/28 check finally cashed 12/8 hope mine gets here before a hunting trip 9/1

  • #78966
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    All three Form 4’s via Trust (in VA)
    -Checkmate QD: Pending 6/24/16 — APPROVED 3/29/2017 = 279 days
    -Rugged Surge 762: Pending 6/24/16 — APPROVED 3/29/2017 = 279 days
    These were sent in one envelope, FYI.
    -Rugged Obsidian 45: Pending 6/30/16 — PENDING as of this mornings call.

    All tracking information was updated in my account prior to posting.

  • #78967
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    All three Form 4’s via Trust (in VA)
    -Checkmate QD: Pending 6/24/16 — APPROVED 3/29/2017 = 279 days
    -Rugged Surge 762: Pending 6/24/16 — APPROVED 3/29/2017 = 279 days
    These were sent in one envelope, FYI.
    -Rugged Obsidian 45: Pending 6/30/16 — PENDING as of this mornings call.

    All tracking information was updated in my account prior to posting.

    Do you know the dates of the checks being cashed?

    • #78990
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      @jkacg1,

      The checks for the two approved was the same day they “went” pending, so my checks (according to bank) were cashed on 6/24/2016.

      The third separate form 4 check was cashed 7/1, but went pending according to ATF on 6/30/2016.

      Hope that helps…now I’m counting down both the turnaround/mailing so I can pick up my 22 and 30 caliber can’s…as well as hoping (since today is day 279 for the 6/30 pending date) the 6/30 pending gets approved this week…but who knows. After 401,760 minutes, what is another hundred?!?!?!

      -Greg

  • #78986
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    Purchased my Silencer from Silencer shops on 6-18-16 but my paper work was not submitted by SS until 7-7-16
    Was this the normal turn around time? as I could have gone through a local dealer much faster.

    Just a little miffed as I filled out and submitted my SBR paperwork in less than a day.

    So I went from being mid June to being submitted in the crap storm that is July.
    Sorry just venting as my silencer will not be here in time my kid coming back from college.

    • #78992
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      @marty,

      I’m not sure how long the kid(s) will be back from College, but hold out hope that you should be getting into the “unofficial” to be approved stacks in the next few weeks…again just my 2 cents.

    • #79011
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      I feel your pain Marty, bought mine there also. Purchased a ACC can on June 4th , paid in full for can,tax stamp. They submitted to the ATF on July 7, almost a month later. I called the ATF about a week ago as to status of my application. They told me my app was recieved by them July 7, the check was cashed on July 22. They also told me they were currently working on mid to late June so although she couldn’t say for sure, it would probably be at least another month or two before they get through the mass of app’s they got right before July 13th. Kind of pissed that Sliencer Shop held everything that long. I might have saved a couple of dollars but I’d be shooting that can for a month now if I had stayed local. Something to think about next time.

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      • #79018
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        Silencer Shop
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        The form 3 has to be filed first to transfer it to your local dealer. At that time the form 3 were taking about 8 weeks. We filed the form 4 around the 4 week mark. If the form 4 was filed at the same time as the form 3 then the form 4 would have been rejected.

      • #79023
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        I know what you mean. Mine is even worse. I bought from Silencer Shop on 04/25/2016. The form 4 was not sent in until 06/06/2016 with a cashed date of 06/12/2016. I bought in April because I wanted it before I had to relocate on the other side of the state but it didn’t workout that way. I would have bought local but my dealer said he couldn’t help due to the deadline approaching. What a lame excuse. I agree I bought early enough that I would have had it a couple moths sooner but no one at Silencer Shop ever explained the form 3 part. They need to look at that and do a better job of informing their out of state buyers. Still, all in all, still a positive expirience.

        • #79024
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          Silencer Shop
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          I’m sorry about that. Unfortunately there is no way around the form 3. Since we file for the dealer we are able to file the form 4 a little before the form 3 is approved. If you local dealer ordered it for you he would have to wait for the form 3 transfer to him to be complete and the ATF to mail him the form.

          Like I said at the time form 3’s were taking about 8 weeks and then add another 2 weeks for the form to me mailed to the dealer and you might have missed the deadline altogether.

  • #78995
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    I just spoke to a nice lady who told me my form 4 trust was approved!
    Purchased an AAC Element 2 in November of 2015, but it was on back order. I bought through a group buy one of our locals put together.
    My dealer finally received it in June 2016. ATF cashed my check June 26,2016. It took 280 days for approval. So I’m looking at almost 1.5 years to get my suppressor. I just put it out of my mind, but the last month has been driving me nuts. Hopefully it will not take too long to mail it out.

  • #79020
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    Form 4 Trust (Silencer Shop)
    Pending 6/29/16
    Approved 4/5/17 (280 days)
    Stamp to dealer TBD
    I don’t know why y’all keep bashing on SS, they have done nothing but treated me square…..I will gladly use them again.

    • This reply was modified 4 months, 2 weeks ago by Profile photo of Flagflyfish Flagflyfish.
    • #79025
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      No one is bashing Silencer Shop. I just think that they need to do a better job of informing buyers that it will be a month to allow the form 3 to get into the ATF system prior to the form 4 being sent in. I never understood what was going on until I saw it on their site. I did say that the over all expirience was great. Could have gone with someone that got the papers back for a correction. I didn’t see anyone saying that their papers were sent back due to an error on their Form 4’s. They do it right the first time.

  • #79031
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    I agree that I was disappointed with Silencer Shop, but only because they were not forthcoming with the fact that it would take a Month from the time I paid for my order, for an in stock item, for them to process the forms for the ATF. They have great customer service and when I inquired about the delay via email I got a response within 24 hours. That being said, with their wonderful website, which is full of excellent information about buying a can from them, they some how left out the fact that the processing time is greatly extended by them waiting for the form 3 to process. Just saying be upfront with lead times.

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    From what I can tell, it looks like there has been some confusion regarding both Silencer Shop’s Powered By/Buy it Local programs and the NFA process as a whole. When you buy from Silencer Shop, they must submit a Form 3 to the ATF to transfer the suppressor to your local dealer. Then, they (on behalf of your dealer) submit a Form 4 to transfer the silencer from your dealer to you. There is typically a two week delay between these two submissions, but it can be longer. The reason for this has to do with Form 3 approval times. Silencer Shop has generally submitted the Form 4 about halfway through the Form 3 approval process. This is to prevent the ATF from attempting to process Forms 4 ahead of the requisite Form 3 approval. If for some reason the ATF were to process a Form 4 before the Form 3, the former would be rejected as the corresponding serial number would not yet be assigned to the dealer named on the application. Silencer Shop’s lag time helps to ensure that rejections like this do not occur. The challenge they faced last year is that Form 3 approvals varied pretty wildly. When the Powered By and Buy it Local programs kicked off, the time from submission to approval for Forms 3 was around 3 or 4 weeks. As it got closer to the ATF 41F rollout, those stretched past 6 weeks. To offset the risk of rejections, Silencer Shop pushed back Form 4 submissions to as much as a month.

    In the end, buying from Silencer Shop is always going to take longer than purchasing a can from a local dealer with inventory. Silencer Shop has two forms to submit while the local shop only has one. Even so, because Silencer Shop has the ATF’s blessing to submit Form 4 applications before the Form 3 comes back, they will be faster than other distributors and online sellers.

  • #79037
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    leej009
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    Omega 300 from AZ
    Submitted: 7/2/2016
    Check Cashed: 7/12/2016

    was told end of March/early April…Still waiting…waiting…waiting…

    Question though, I’m a little confused and seeing different information, I submitted a Form 4 Trust paper, once approved will the stamp be mailed to my dealer or will it be mailed to the address logged with my Trust?

    When I was approved for a Form 1 SBR the stamp was mailed directly to me.

    • #79038
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      Matt48085
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      For a Form 4 it will be mailed directly to your dealer for them to do a 4473 background check before the transfer is complete, same form as when buying a gun. After the instant background check your dealer will then hand you your suppressor and the approved Form 4 with the stamp attached and signed by the agent that approved the application.

      • #79083
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        Gddean
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        You would think that after a 9 plus month wait for a back ground check, an additional one 5 to 6 days later would not be needed, got to love this NFA game.

    • #79047
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      mrlovelace
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      We pretty much filed around the same time.

  • #79044
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    mrlovelace
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    Form 4 sent off 6/29/2016
    Check Cashed 7/05/2016
    Still pending since 03/27/2017
    from talking to the atf…
    Said im looking at mid April.

    • #79045
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      mrlovelace
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      274 days and counting…

  • #79051
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    DeltaGunner
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    Check cashed 6/28/16
    Approved 4/4/17

    Added to tracker.

  • #79058
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    Erik
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    Form 4 Trust Maine
    2 suppressor Form 4 sent in same envelope.
    SilencerCo. Hybrid
    SilencerCo. Sparrow

    Check cashed went pending 6/30/16

    Both Approved 4/4/17 !!!!

    278 days by my count.

    Tracker Updated

    • #79115
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      Erik
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      Both stamps received 4/8/17 ! Dealer said they came in separate envelopes.

      • This reply was modified 4 months, 1 week ago by Profile photo of Erik Erik.
  • #79073
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    ktaylor
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    SilencerCo Hybrid

    Check Cashed: 6/27/16
    Approved: 4/2/17
    Stamp arrived at dealer: 4/6/17

  • #79078
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    h8tingw8ting
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    Form 4 Trust
    Purchased 06/17/2016
    Forms sent 06/17/2016
    Received by NFA Branch 06/24/2016
    Approved 03/23/2017, 272 days
    At time of posting, forms still not received by dealer (?).
    Tracker updated, will update this post upon hearing from dealer.

    • #79287
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      h8tingw8ting
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      Dealer called 04/07/2017, picked up the same day.

  • #79087
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    Khal1911
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    Suppressor purchased from online vendor on March 18, 2016.
    Took 3 months to transfer to my local FFL. Went pending on June 27, 2016.
    Finally approved on 4/6/2017!

    So now just my final wait to get the stamp in the mail. Will be about a 13 month wait from date of purchase by the time I finally have my can. Insane how long this process takes.

  • #79102
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    dgdamore
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    What is the consensus opinion on what will happen to Form 4 trust wait times, after the last pre July 13 41f form is processed? Could be quite a vacuum in the days and weeks following. I’ve been hearing suppressor manufacturers are hurting right now because no one is buying, waiting for an HPA ruling. Might be a great time to buy.

    • #79103
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      What is the consensus opinion on what will happen to Form 4 trust wait times, after the last pre July 13 41f form is processed? Could be quite a vacuum in the days and weeks following. I’ve been hearing suppressor manufacturers are hurting right now because no one is buying, waiting for an HPA ruling. Might be a great time to buy.

      I spoke with Stephanie one time when I called the ATF to check the status of my form 4s. I commented on how they are going to be real busy with the 10,000 applications that the Silencer Shop sent in all at once. She replied that EVERY dealer did the same thing (send in massive amounts of applications pre 41F). I would guess that it will be the better part of a year if things keep pace.

      • #79208
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        mrlovelace
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        Every time I call Stephanie picks up ?. It’s like Im assigned to her. I know ahe is not the only one that works there…

  • #79141
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    sacase
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    My Form 4 was submitted on 6/21/2016 and the Tax Stamp just arrived at me dealer on Saturday, 4/8/2017. A little over 9 months.

  • #79144
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    GUIDEBECK22
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    Form 4 trust pending 6/27/16, approved 4/7/17. Was told it had to be mailed to the dealer within 10days. Feels like the last hr at work on a Friday. …

  • #79145
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    Ruby
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    I was told about the 10 day limit to mail out the stamp also, but I was approved March 7th and stamp did not arrive until March 29th according to my dealer.

  • #79200
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    Caneboy69
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    I picked up my AAC Element 2 today. After I picked up the kids, ran errands for the wife, & then had church and choir practice. Came home in the dark and shot off 10 rounds of CCI standard volocity into my berm. I have nail guns that are louder than this on my victory pistol. I cannot wait to get out of work tomorrow! You guys hang in there. Now should I buy a .308 can?

    • #79219
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      Rincoln
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      Caneboy69, that is a definite yes. I started with a rimfire and then bought a 30cal can, and have never regretted it. I will say that the SiCo Hybrid 46cal suppressed 223 and 308 as well or better than my YHM 30cal. (This is an addiction).

  • #79222
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    Daniel
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    I bought a Dead Air Sandman S and a Dead Air Ghost 45M on April 13, 2016. The check to the ATF was cashed on June 27, 2016. I finally received both tax stamps on April 12, 2017. The longest I have ever had to wait on a Silencer purchase, almost a year later!

  • #79223
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    mrlovelace
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    Im ready to cry my dealer called me and told me I left out the beneficiary name on my form 4. I corrected it and emailed​ him back. i would of got approved today ????.

  • #79224
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    jkacg1
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    Shouldn’t delay it more than a week. Ask me how I know.

    • #79227
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      Sandhills
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      Okay how do you know this?

  • #79226
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    leej009
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    Submitted 7/2, check cashed 7/12…

    call to ATF gave me an estimate of late march, but obviously here we are in april.

    call to my LGS told me that they are just starting to see the 6/1 submits starting to roll in. so i’m thinking looking at another month in a half based on the uptick in submissions leading up to the 41f change.

    should jumped on this earlier instead of procrastinating again

  • #79229
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    justageek
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    Pending 7/5/2016
    Approved 4/6/2017
    Stamp in hand 4/13/2017

  • #79234
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    jkacg1
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    Okay how do you know this?

    I have had to correct errors on forms 3 times. The first was on 2 paper form 1’s submitted at the same time where I had left out the word “Living” from my trust name. I had checked and double checked the forms, but since I had filled out my trust name the same on both, I didn’t catch it. I actually got a phone call from the examiner explaining how to correct the error, so now I have 2 form 1’s with an ink line through the Trust name and the correct Trust name hand written above it.

    The second was a Form 1 when I had tried to include multiple calibers (as I had done successfully in the past) on an AR SBR Lower. I had to pick a caliber and send in a letter after approval for any additional caliber changes.

    The third was a Form 1 where I had forgotten to include a Schedule B which listed my beneficiaries. I mailed it in and received the approval within about a week or 10 days.

    I recognize that things are a bit different these days with the backlog and procedures for the examiners have also changed. These days, they don’t appear to be batch processing multiple forms from the same individual or entity but rather taking each submitted form an independently examining them, so YMMV. I once submitted​ multiple paper forms, and both were approved the same day. When eFiling was first available, I submitted two Form 1’s for SBR’s and 3 months later eFiled another Form 1 for an SBR. All three stamps were approved the same day, with the last Form being approved in about 30 days.

  • #79235
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    jkacg1
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    I actually got a phone call from the examiner

    I now remember getting a letter and calling the examiner myself. He was very helpful and I returned the corrections the same day.

  • #79238
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    Nic
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    Submitted 6/28/16, pending 7/6/16….just called and they said they’re still working on end of June. Sounds like JustaGeek got lucky ^^.

  • #79243
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    Joel
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    My 30sd went pending 6/30/16 aproved 4/13/17 now waiting on stamp to dealer.

  • #79244
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    justageek
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    Sounds like JustaGeek got lucky ^^.

    Yeah, of course it was for the one suppressor I don’t really *need* – the second Checkmate so my wife can shoot at the same time. My other pending can is the one I really want – a Resistance 45. No telling how much longer that one will take.

  • #79245
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    SK13R
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    SiCo Harvester – Check cashed 6-27-16, Approved 4-6-17, Dealer Received Stamp 4-14-17. But now I have to wait till Sunday to shoot the thing :/ I’ll live!

  • #79247
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    Garrett
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    TAX STAMP FRIDAY!
    SilencerCo Hybrid
    Check cashed 7-6-16
    Approved 4-9-17
    Received 4-14-17
    Finally after 289 days.

  • #79249
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    TrooperBrian
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    Here’s some great news that surfaced recently, I started a discussion thread for it in our NFA News section.

    ATF announces NFA branch reorganization in effort to improve performance

  • #79253
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    Paul
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    I called for form 4 status today. The call taker advised me that the 41p created a huge load of transfers prior to the 41p changes. She then stated that form 4’s are backed up 10 to 12 months.

  • #79260
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    mrlovelace
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    So to clear up the email I got from my dealer to correct something on my trust. So I called to see was everything received according to them there was never a correction noted?… they really need to get on the same page in there! So to what im hearing everything is okay on one end and nothing has changed on the other smh.

  • #79277
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    Nic
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    Follow up from Friday….

    Submitted 6/28/16
    Pending 7/6/16
    Approved 4/17/17

    • #79278
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      mrlovelace
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      Aaaaaah Man we have the same pending day! Mines should be approved today or some time this week!

      • #79281
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        Nic
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        Looks like Garrett and JustaGeek got theirs last week so hopefully today for you as well!

        Also, Garrett’s calc was off I believe….7/6/16 – 4/14/17 is 282 days (and 277 from pending to approved). Do they really approve on Sunday’s (4/9/17) though?

        • #79282
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          mrlovelace
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          If they did start approving on Sunday that must of been a easter gift lol.

  • #79288
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    sargeny1
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Hi All…just called…Texas Form 4 Trust…Silencer Co Sparrow…pending April 5th…Approved April 15 Saturday..
    awaiting stamp…
    pete in texas

    • #79289
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      mrlovelace
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      April 2016?

  • #79290
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    sargeny1
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    Hi All…oops….pending June 16,2016…approved Saturday April 15, 2017….April 5,2016 was day ATF recd a correction from my dealer…awaiting stamp..
    Texas Trust Form 4 Silencer Co Sparrow
    pete in texas

  • #79291
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    sargeny1
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    DAGNABIT…oops again…April 5 2017 was day ATF recd
    my dealer correction……
    pete in texas

  • #79294
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    GunShy
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Purchased 06/23/2016
    Submitted 06/24/2016
    Pending unknown
    Approved 04/06/2017
    At Dealer 04/17/20
    297 days

  • #79296
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    Greyhoundoh
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Purchased March 8 2016
    Manufacture to dealer June 27 2016
    Forms sent in June 28 2016
    Check cashed July 5 2016
    Called by Dealer on April 10, 2017 for Trust forms
    ATF approved on April 12, 2017
    Stamp received by dealer on April 17, 2017
    Now I have to wait a week due to being called out for work

  • #79301
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    hotsmokinbrass
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    I FINALLY picked up three SilencerCo suppressors that I purchased through their SPEC program dealer on June 16, 2016. All three of my checks were cashed June 28, 2016. All three of my form 4s were approved March 29, 2017 and the paperwork and stamps were received by the dealer two weeks later on April 13, 2017. 274 days from my checks being cashed to approval; 301 days from purchase to being cleared for pickup. 2017 is a lot closer to the 1930’s than most of us suspected.

  • #79302
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    carnepo
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    I sure wish I knew one of you that are claiming a July pending form 4 trust application approved and stamp/suppressor picked up.

    I purchased an Omega 30 locally in Atlanta on June 26 and my check was cashed June 28th and according to ATF went pending June 30. I called for the first time this morning after thinking wth, is something wrong with my application? She said no and that I was still pending that they were still in June. I told her I was seeing approvals from various sites with July pending. She simply told me that that was not possible they had not process any July pending apps.

    The wait is what it is, not complaining about it

    thoughts?

    thanks

  • #79303
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    carnepo
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    I sure wish I knew one of you that are claiming a July pending form 4 trust application approved and stamp/suppressor picked up.

    I purchased an Omega 30 locally in Atlanta on June 26 and my check was cashed June 28th and according to ATF went pending June 30. I called for the first time this morning after thinking wth, is something wrong with my application? She said no and that I was still pending that they were still in June. I told her I was seeing approvals from various sites with July pending. She simply told me that that was not possible they had not process any July pending apps.

    The wait is what it is, not complaining about it. I was just concerned there was a problem with my app and now Im receiving conflicting info.

    thoughts?

    thanks

    • #79309
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      Depends on your home state and the examiner that is assigned and their work load assigned

    • #79319
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      mrlovelace
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      Exactly what I said. Somebody in there either lying or not on the same page.

  • #79318
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    mrlovelace
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    Am I the only one they tell they haven’t started on July approvals yet? But yet I see July approvals on here. I done got tired of the lies. ?

    • #79332
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      djunkins
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      No, mrlovelace, you’re not the only one. Just called ATF about two suppressors with a July 11 date. She told me they were still working June and it was unlikely that they would get to me by the end of this month, assuming that the early July applications are as heavy as they have been for June. I hope to be pleasantly surprised, but I plan to cool my jets for another month

      • #79343
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        mrlovelace
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        Oh okay its just frustrating… Like the last post saying they was told that they have started early July application this morning but im told at 4pm that they have not started July’s yet lol. This have been a patience test like never before In my life lol. I just want my Christmas excitement to be over

        • #79346
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          Definitely frustrating. When I first started buying suppressors in late 2014/early 2015, wait times were four months or less, and I thought THAT was excessive. This current situation is ridiculous, especially when one considers how much money they’re raking in and how little they must do to process an application. Many of us are multiple suppressor owners. “Frequent flyers” should be even more easily processed. When I’m done I will have ten Form 4 applications processed, one Form 1 suppressor app and six Form 1 SBR apps. Plenty of folks have even more than that. I’d certainly like to know what it is they do beyond a background check that justifies these wait times.

          • #79348
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            I dont know I wish I knew someone that worked there to ask them one question. Do you all approve the applications then sit on the date to be funny? Its hard to go this long and not be excited but thinking at the same time did I make a mistake on the form. Smh I have bought a few guns just to make me not think about it but its not helping lol. Especially when I work 12 hour shifts.

      • #79345
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        Silence54
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        My July 1, 2016 pending date was approved 4/11 and received today for a form 4 Trust. I’ve seen many July approvals.

  • #79334
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    Mr O’Crap
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    I called ATF this morning and was told they HAVE started early July applications (and some have been approved already). Additionally, I was told I should anticipate my July 11 pending approval within the next “two weeks.”

    • #79350
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      LRM1981
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      I called ATF this morning and was told they HAVE started early July applications (and some have been approved already). Additionally, I was told I should anticipate my July 11 pending approval within the next “two weeks.”

      I called yesterday as well and was told pretty much the same thing. I have a pending date of July 7th and they told me they’re currently working on that date range and it shouldn’t be more than 3 weeks before approval.

      This is for a two stamp TPM Outfitters MP5SD (SBR+Suppressor) that I purchased the first week of March, 2016! The form 3 took almost 4 months to process.

      Forms sent: July 1st
      Checks cashed/Pending: July 7th

  • #79344
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    In MN. Purchased 6/27/16.
    Not sure on check cashed date.
    Not sure on pending date.
    Not sure on approval date.
    Gun shop called this morning and my stamp arrived today 4/18/17.
    I think the dealer sent the paperwork in after the 4th of July.
    I will update Thursday if anyone is curious on the other dates.

  • #79351
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    carnepo
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    Form 4 Trust for Omega 30 purchased in GA

    Purchase date – June 27th
    Check cash date – June 30th
    approved – 4/19
    too many days, you do the math

    Will update the transfer once I receive it.

  • #79354
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    mrlovelace
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    I talked to someone today and she said Ive called two days back to back ??? I dont care if I called every day since my 8th month why do it matter to you that I called. Thats why I like speaking to Stephanie. But she did say they are approving July applications now which i been knew. I guess they been reading our comments on here.

    • #79368
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      That’s funny cause I called for almost 2 weeks once I got close. I saw someone else had received their approval for a July pending and everytime they told me they were working on June apps. When I called 4/16/17 the lady was like “oh we got a good one, looks like it was approved this morning” (I called at about 11am East Coast).

      I’m starting to think it just depends on who has your app in the stack on their desk. A scenario like this could play out: NFA has 20 people reviewing, of those 20 10 are fast, 10 are slow. All 20 grab 50 apps on Monday and work through them as they can. 10 fast work through entire stack by Tuesday and grab the next stack Wednesday morning (which is 1,000 apps later and possibly into the next pending date), 10 slow workers are still trying to get through their 50 from Monday on Friday and yours is at the bottom of that pile. Person answering the phone is told to use “most conservative” date when answering questions, so they say June because slow workers are still working on June apps….and they continue to do that until the slowest employee starts a July stack (even though the fastest worker is maybe 2 stacks ahead of them). I doubt reviewing these applications is fun, probably hard to find people willing to do it for what they pay and don’t want to fire slow reviewers, train new one’s, etc (plus all the protections that a government job may offer for someone).

      • This reply was modified 4 months ago by Profile photo of Nic Nic.
      • #79370
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        That makes since! Mines must be in the slow pack. I want to call again lol but Im going to wait until next Friday.

  • #79362
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    Submitted: 6 June 2016
    Check Cashed: 16 June 2016
    Pending: 17 June 2016
    Approved: 14 April 2016

    database updated

  • #79363
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    Form 4 pending May 23, 2016–Approved March 23, 2017 as of todays date April 19, 2017 still not received in hand…WTF…. Whats going on. Ive never had this long of a wait or problem. Any suggustions

    • #79389
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      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      At 30 days you can request a replacement to be mailed.

  • #79416
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    6/30/16 pending aproved 4/13/17 stamp 4/30/17

  • #79425
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    Hi All….my dealer just called me… stamp arrived in today’s mail
    texas trust form 4 silencer co sparrow
    pending june 16,2016
    corrections needed & recd by atf april 5,2016
    approved april 15,2017
    stamp at dealer April 21,2017
    3 1 1 days total…

    pete in central texas

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    Hi All….my dealer just called me… stamp arrived in today’s mail
    texas trust form 4 silencer co sparrow
    pending june 16,2016
    corrections needed & recd by atf april 5,2017
    approved april 15,2017
    stamp at dealer April 21,2017
    3 1 1 days total…

    pete in central texas

  • #79427
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    corrections recd april 5, 2017

  • #79433
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    Form 4
    Submitted: 09Jun16
    Approved: 14Apr17
    Approved By: Patricia Bartles
    309 Days

  • #79434
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    (UPDATED) MN. Purchased 6/27/16.
    Not sure on check cashed date.
    Not sure on pending date.
    Approval date 4/10/17 by Elicia Elkius.
    Arrived at gun shop 4/18/17 (295 days from purchase to stamp arriving at dealer).
    I think the dealer sent the paperwork in after the 4th of July.
    When I picked it up from the gun shop, the dealer had at least 12 stamps in the pile all arrived on the 18th.

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  • #79446
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    Finally approved! Pending date July 6th, Approved April 21, 2017. 293 days Im so happy but sad at the same time because that means thats more money I have to spend on new suppressors. My wife is going to go upside my head lol. The wait is over will update once it get to the dealer!!! Man Im excited now I can get some sleep lol.

  • #79460
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    Purchase date: 05-19-2016
    Store submitted Form 4 date: 07-04-2016
    Check cashed by ATF date: 07-12-2016
    Purchased as a Form 4 trust.
    Today’s date: 04-24-2017

    Called mid last month (mid March 2017) and told by someone at ATF that they were just starting June approvals and I should hear something within the month.

    Called this morning (04-24-2017) and was told that they are still working on June approvals and a few of the examiners had just started the first couple of days of July…so I should hear something within the month.

    Sounds exciting, but…they just won’t say “which month”.

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  • #79464
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    salvo- Texas
    Purchased 6/20/16
    Forms sent 6/23/16
    Pending 7/11/16
    Approved 4/24/17

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  • #79466
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    Looks like they are moving pretty quick through the first week of July!

  • #79469
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    TBAC Ultra 9, .30

    Purchased 6/27/16
    Cashed: Unknown
    Pending: Unknown
    Approved: 4/20/17

    298 Days…

    Stamp on its way to the dealer.

  • #79471
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    Purchased 7/7/16
    Pending 7/12/16
    Approved 4/24/17
    Two more still pending…
    Florida

  • #79473
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    Silencerco Omega 9K
    Purchased 6/29/16
    Stamp received 4/20/17
    North Carolina

  • #79523
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    As if the current delay in approvals isn’t enough, when you call (304) 616-4500 to get a status the current message states that current approvals are taking 8 months. I have a Form 4 status submitted on July 1 by SilencerShop, it appears that the pending date is July 12, so I’m over 9 months at this point. If anyone would like to call and get status, remember to have the serial number of the suppressor, this is what they ask you for first, as well as the name of the place that sold it and the name of the trust or individual.

    That being said, has anyone taken the trouble to contact their state’s senators and congressperson to let them know about your experience with the current delays? I just did and also asked them to support the hearing protection act. By the way, the first time the hearing protection act was filed for consideration it expired. It apparently was refiled this past January 2017 which means no potential refund of the tax stamp for any purchases made before January 2017. Thus, with the current track record, if this years filing of the hearing protection act is also allowed to pass the act will have to be refiled again, at which point any potential refund of the $200 tax stamp will start the clock after that point while wiping out the potential list of those eligible to receive the refund from the previous filing.

    • #79526
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      Sstevo, I agree it’s BS that this is taking this much time and letting our Rep’s know how we feel is a great way to light a fire under them. One thing I think you may have wrong is the part about the bill resetting the refund. The new bill HR 367 kept the October 2015 date for reimbursment. The way I read the bill if you purchased before October 22, 2015 if this bill passes you should get a $200 refund. I’m not an attorney, just the way it reads to me.

      SEC. 2. EQUAL TREATMENT OF SILENCERS AND FIREARMS.

      (a) In General.—Section 5845(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by striking “(7) any silencer” and all that follows through “; and (8)” and inserting “; and (7)”.

      (b) Effective Date.—

      (1) IN GENERAL.—Except as otherwise provided in this subsection, the amendment made by this section shall take effect on the date of the enactment of this Act.

      (2) TRANSFERS.—In the case of the tax imposed by section 5811 of such Code, the amendment made by this section shall apply with respect to transfers after October 22, 2015.

      Just checked the Senate Bill, SB 59 It says Jan 9th 2017 for a refund. Hopefully we get the House version of the bill.

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      • #79537
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        Yes, good catch on the wording of the House refiling. However, I am basing my understanding of this on another thread, http://www.nfatracker.com/community/topic/how-many-stamps-will-need-to-be-paid-back-if-the-hearing-protection-act-passes/ where the author in that thread refers to the similar bill introduced in the Senate, which apparently refers only to the date of filing, which I believe is also in January of 2017. To become a law they will reconcile both bills so it is just a matter of individual judgement, at this point, of whether they leave in the original date of October 2015 as is worded in the House version or simply consider the date of refiling as per the Senate version.

  • #79535
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    Ive contacted my HOR rep and Senator concerning the dragging of the feet on this bill. This now taking 9+ months is ridiculous.

  • #79540
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    I purchased a Liberty Cosmic through Silencer Shop on May 24, 2016. I also bought my Tax Stamp through them, so I don’t have any “check cashed” info. Block 12 on the Form 4 is dated June 27, 2016; with date of approval shown as April 13, 2017. The paperwork and stamp were received by my local dealer April 20, which made it essentially 11 months from the time of purchase to being cleared to pick up my suppressor. The wait sucks, and I also regret procrastinating for so long to get into the suppressor game. However, I am enjoying my new Cosmic, so at this point all I can say is “Better late than never”.

  • #79565
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    Purchased: 3/7/16
    Form 3 at dealer:7/1/16
    Forms sent: 7/2/16
    Pending: 7/7/16
    Approved: 4/24/17
    Waiting on stamp…

    413 days from purchase date to approval (ouch!)
    291 days from pending to approval.

  • #79572
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    spoke with their office and was told they are processing end of June and first week of July. When I asked how long they thought before we cross over July 15th date the answer was no one knows because FBI stopped answering their calls regarding background checks. Apparently both agencies are so overwhelmed with the backlog that they shut down all communication with the folks that are working on our forms.

  • #79578
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    spoke with their office and was told they are processing end of June and first week of July. When I asked how long they thought before we cross over July 15th date the answer was no one knows because FBI stopped answering their calls regarding background checks. Apparently both agencies are so overwhelmed with the backlog that they shut down all communication with the folks that are working on our forms.

    There is no background check on a Form 4 Trust……whoever you spoke to is pants on the head retarded…..

    • #79580
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      Per ATF Inspector instruction. We are to pull a background on every individual listed on the Form 4. This is in response to Rule 41F effective July 13, 2016, which states : “all responsible persons named in the trust or legal entity are required to undergo a background check.” As of April, 2017, wait times are 11 months for a Trust ( not including stamp arrival time of 2-3 weeks) and standard Form 4 has a wait time of 8 months (not including stamp arrival time of 2-3 weeks). A Trust will take longer due to the fact that it spends 2-3 months in Legal. Hope this helps.

      • #79581
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        Per ATF Inspector instruction. We are to pull a background on every individual listed on the Form 4. This is in response to Rule 41F effective July 13, 2016, which states : “all responsible persons named in the trust or legal entity are required to undergo a background check.” As of April, 2017, wait times are 11 months for a Trust ( not including stamp arrival time of 2-3 weeks) and standard Form 4 has a wait time of 8 months (not including stamp arrival time of 2-3 weeks). A Trust will take longer due to the fact that it spends 2-3 months in Legal. Hope this helps.

        That is the way I understand it also, however; the backlog is due to Pre 41F submissions for form 4 trusts NOT submissions after July 13, 2016. Those submissions fall under the guidelines pre 41F whereas there is NO background check involved. Hope this clarifies things a bit..

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        • #79582
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          I have a few that have just now been approved but filed pre-revision (not suppressors, a tad more controlled thus the wait). We were instructed to do a background. Better to cross all the T’s and dot the I’s for the feds. We are being told a new revision maybe coming this next year. Fingers crossed this revision occurs the way we are being told.

          • #79584
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            I have a few that have just now been approved but filed pre-revision (not suppressors, a tad more controlled thus the wait). We were instructed to do a background. Better to cross all the T’s and dot the I’s for the feds. We are being told a new revision maybe coming this next year. Fingers crossed this revision occurs the way we are being told.

            Agreed, all of my submissions were pre 41F,(silencers) and I am just now getting them back 9-10 months…The background check is performed Via a 4473 at the time of transfer. I do agree that submissions going forward will need to have all responsible parties go through a background check (I’m fine with that). However; if you look at the original post it states that the reason for the logjam is the FBI refusing to do a background check which is simply not correct. The reason for the jam is a large number of submissions Pre 41F.

  • #79590
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    Hopefully they get thru fairly fast. I’ve been waiting for 410 days from time of purchase. Looks like my shop either waited to submit or they were using Silencer Shop and they submitted with the July group. ATF said mine was received (by the reviewer) on July 22…most likely postmarked before the 12th as person answering phone said those that were late were sent back. To make things worse, the shop I’m dealing with had a fire in March and is still not re-openned yet…lol. Yep, can only sit back, laugh and wait. Hopefully the bubble will pop and any new forms (post 41F) will go faster…can only hope.

  • #79600
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    Form 4 Trust in Tennessee
    AAC M4-2000
    Check cashed – July 12, 2016
    Approved – April 24, 2017
    Stamp Received – TBD

    AAC 7.62SDN-6
    Check cashed – July 13, 2016
    Approved – TBD
    Stamp Received – TBD

  • #79605
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    Holy crap!!! So excited. I called today and my stamp was finally approved!!!

    Suppressor: Sig Sauer SRD762QD
    Purchased: 05/24/2016
    Sent: 07/05/2016
    Cashed: 07/11/2016
    APPROVED: 04/29/2017
    Days to approved: 293

    Now comes the wait to actually get it in hand. :/

    • #79607
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      Im still waiting on the dealer to call me I got approved on the 21st. I hope my dealer call me soon.

  • #79608
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    Form 4 Trust
    Gemtech GM22
    Purchased locally on 7/1/16
    No idea check cashed date.
    Approved by ATF 4/17/17

    = 290 days from purchase to approval.

  • #79609
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    Check out this crazy timeline:

    Polytech AKMS

    Purchase Date: March 4, 2016
    Form 3 to Dealer/Form 4 Signed: May 28, 2016
    Check Cashed: June 14, 2016
    Form 4 Approved: April 4, 2017
    Form 4 to dealer: May 1, 2017
    Pick up: May 4, 2017.

    Days from purchase to pickup: 426
    Days from Form 4 Signed to pickup: 341

  • #79614
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    22250Ackley
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    Silencerco Omega through local dealer
    Form 4 trust
    Purchased 7/1/16
    Check cashed 7/5/16
    Approved 4/22/17
    Stamp received 4/29/17

  • #79622
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    Ryan S
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    Silencerco Specwar 7.62
    Form 4 Trust
    Purchased: 6/24/16
    Check Cashed: 7/6/16
    Approved: 4/27/17
    Stamp Received: TBA

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  • #79624
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    Form 4 Trust – Suppressor: Ruger Silent-SR Purchased: 07/02/2016 Sent: 07/03/2016 Received: 07/07/2016 Cashed: 07/11/2016 APPROVED: 04/27/2017. At least it’s finally approved. Now the wait for the dealer to receive it…

  • #79625
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    Masterdrago
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    Just a few days shy of 11 months. Got call just now from LGS said stamp in:=}
    Form 4 Trust submitted June 4, 2016
    Card charged July 8, 2016
    No idea when was approved?? :+[
    Will get in about 30 minutes
    The neighborhood will be much quieter now.

  • #79632
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    Madman
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    Form 4 trust in VA
    SiCo Omega 30
    check cashed 7/11/2016
    Approved 5/1/2017
    No stamp yet, just did 1 of my weekly phone calls to check status and got the good news. last stamp was received by my small dealer 3 days after the approval date so Im REALLY hoping the same happens with this one.

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  • #79634
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    1. NFA Item: Muffler
    2. Transferee Type: Trust
    3. Method: Paper
    4. Purchase Date: 26 May, 2016 – Silencer Shop
    5. Form 3 Mailed: 22 June, 2016
    6. Form 3 Approved: 21 July, 2016
    7. Check Cashed: ?
    8. Delivered to Dealer: 26 July, 2016
    9. Form 4 Mailed: 29 June, 2016
    10. Form 4 Delivery: 9 July, 2016
    11. Pending: ?
    12. Approved: 17 April, 2017
    13. Received: Any day now…

    283 days from Form 4 delivery to approval plus at least 2 weeks for the mail.

  • #79641
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    For those of you that might be tracking numbers, the following was received in response to the question
    “why is your message on the phone as of last week stating that approvals are currently taking 8 months?” when many if not most of us have already waited over nine months:

    Please note that the ATF website is accurate in the 8 month turnaround for an ATF Form 4 to be processed. The processing times for ATF Form 4’s is approximately 8 months due to more than 184,243 pending NFA applications. In fiscal year 2007, ATF processed nearly 66,736 NFA applications. In 2016, ATF received processed more than 379,410 applications, a 469 % increase in NFA applications.

    • #79644
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      it will only get worse as long as we allow it.

  • #79642
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    SilencerCo Osprey 45K
    Bought 6/29/2016
    Check – payed store
    Form 4 mailed by store
    Approved 4/19/2017
    Received call from store 4/25/2017 that the tax stamp was received
    Picked up 5/2/2017
    Total days till able tax stamp received: 300 days

    (Please note: Unsure how many days until the papers was mailed by store to ATF.)

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  • #79660
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    Long time follower of the site, took the plunge and signed up to report data. Been a loooong wait, so here goes:

    SiCo Sparrow22 SS
    Form 4 Trust In GA
    Forms Sent: 7/5/16
    Check Cashed: 7/11/16
    Approved: 4/23/17
    Stamp Received: 5/2/17

    Tracker Updated.

    1 down, 2 more to go with same pending date, hopefully any day now.

  • #79661
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    Today is my 11 month anniversary!

    Purchased SilencerCo Hybrid 6/3/16
    Dealer sent ???
    Pending 7/12/16

    and the wait continues…

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  • #79663
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    D W
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    Talked to BATF today about status of a Form 4 Trust suppressor. Submit 7-7 Check cashed 7-22. Was told that submit date is meaningless, nothing starts until they get the notice back from the bank. So mine was started July 22. I also asked if there was a control number assigned and she said yes and gave me the number. The last five numbers are 997XX so if everyone could add their control number when they post we may be able to get some idea on how fast and possible other info from the control numbers that are being approved now. So anyone that knows what their control number is please post it. Oh, by the way, the woman that answered the phone also said that they were working on first week of July and it was going extremely slow because they basically were overwhelmed with applications prior to 41F going into effect.

  • #79664
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    fingers crossed for pending 10/19….

  • #79665
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    Talked to BATF today about status of a Form 4 Trust suppressor. Submit 7-7 Check cashed 7-22. Was told that submit date is meaningless, nothing starts until they get the notice back from the bank. So mine was started July 22. I also asked if there was a control number assigned and she said yes and gave me the number. The last five numbers are 997XX so if everyone could add their control number when they post we may be able to get some idea on how fast and possible other info from the control numbers that are being approved now. So anyone that knows what their control number is please post it. Oh, by the way, the woman that answered the phone also said that they were working on first week of July and it was going extremely slow because they basically were overwhelmed with applications prior to 41F going into effect.

    ATF states that 300,000+ applications were received just before the deadline. Check cashed here on 7/25. So, I would think I have about 2 more months.

  • #79668
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    I got approved 4/21/17 still waiting in Va ???…

    • #79669
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      Mike
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      Suppressor?

      • #79671
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        mrlovelace
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        Yes

  • #79672
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    leej009
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    Just called the ATF (only the second time, i’ve been patient).

    Form 4 Trust submitted in Arizona.

    Omega 30 Suppressor
    Purchased: 7/1/2016 from LGS
    Submitted: 7/2/2016
    Check Cashed: 7/12/2016

    Approved: 4/29/2017 (per ATF, though that’s a Saturday, wondering if they’re working OT)

    Stamp Received: ??? Told up to 30 days before it can be sent out.

  • #79673
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    Pending July 11th and approved April 26 and stamp and can in hand. Maybe I’m a lucky one

  • #79679
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    Flagflyfish
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Spikes tactical can purchased June 9, 2016 from SS
    Form 4 submitted July 6, 2016
    Check cashed July 22, 2016
    328 days since purchased
    286 days since pending
    Total BS….

    • #79710
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      rohdeo16
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      Interesting….I bought my AAC can from SS on June 6, 3 days before you, but my form 4 wasn’t submitted until July 7, a day after yours. However, the check for mine was cashed on July 21, a day before yours.

      • #79716
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        Gddean
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        Very interesting, I purchased from SS on June 14, Eight days after you, the form 3 went out June 16, my form 4 was submitted July 7 and went pending July21. Guess I was lucky or you got held back. Either way I’m afraid there is a lot of us in the slot. We will lucky to see them by June at this pace

  • #79687
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    Bigtoot
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    It took 359 days from date of purchase till stamp in hand

  • #79691
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    I’ve read this forum daily for months now, so I thought I should finally contribute…

    Form 4 Trust for Suppressor
    Pending:7/6/16
    Approved:5/4/17

    Now the wait begins for the stamp!

  • #79695
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    KCMO-Kid
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

  • #79714
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    Ryan S
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Stamp received at dealer today… of course it would be on a day where I’m working a 24hr shift…. my life right? Lol

    Pending:
    7/6/16
    Approved:
    4/28/17
    Stamp at Dealer:
    5/4/17

    Total time:
    303 days

  • #79746
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    mpoakes
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Purchased at SS on 05-19-2016
    Submitted on 07-04-2016
    Check cashed 07-12-2016
    Form 3 disposed and sent to dealer on 12-01-2016

    Called today and was told that they are currently working on the first couple of weeks of July, finally. My transfer has been assigned to an agent, which is good news…and progress. I was told it should only be a few more weeks before an approval.

    351 days from purchase date to today’s date.
    297 days from check cashed date to today’s date…and still counting.

    Thank goodness for a bit of good news!

  • #79750
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    SilencerCo Omega 7.62
    Purchased 3/14/16 from Capitol Armory
    Form 3 Approved 6/28/16 (miscommunication with Capitol)
    Form 4 initiated 7/6/16
    Check cashed 7/11/16
    Form 4 Approved 4/29/17 (292 days pending)
    Stamp at dealer 5/5/17 (Purchase to Approval 411 days)

    Griffin Optimus
    Purchased 5/5/16
    Form 3 Approved 6/29/16
    Form 4 initiated 7/6/16
    Check cashed 7/11/16
    Form 4 Approved 4/29/17 (292 days pending)
    Stamp at dealer 5/5/17 (Purchase to Approval 359 days)

    Ridiculous at best. My final Form 4 is in the mill, as well as a Form 1 SBR. After that, I’m done (which means wait times will drop to zero! I hope so, anyway, for everyone going forward)

  • #79763
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    AAC M4-2000 5.56
    Form 4 mailed out Wednesday. Let the waiting begin!

  • #79764
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    Rugged Obsidian 45
    Form 4 paper trust
    Purchased from LGS in stock on 06/24/2016
    Mailed on 07/01/2016
    Pending on 07/06/2016
    Check cashed 07/06/2016
    Approved on 04/20/2017
    Stamp received on 05/05/2017

    • This reply was modified 3 months, 2 weeks ago by Profile photo of hammerli hammerli.
  • #79793
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    6-17-2016 Purchase Date S.S.
    6-19-2016 Form 4 info emailed to S.S.
    7-7-2016 S.S. says Form 4 submitted to ATF
    9-15-2016 S.S. says Form 3 Disposed

    Called ATF today and they said Form 4 submitted 7-22-2016 <—- should I be worried?

    • #79794
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      No during that time frame the ATF was taking a couple of weeks for the form to show in their system. With the large amount of forms that were submitted it took them some time to log them.

  • #79797
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    Sent in Form 4 Trust via USPS Priority mail 27 Jun 2016, approved 27 April 2017 & received at dealer 08 May 2017. Florida

  • #79821
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    I called today and was told that I have been transferred to a research assistant. Anyone have an estimated time before approval?

  • #79895
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    Happy Friday,

    Tax Stamp on a Form 4 Trust for a Powder Springs M10 SMG.
    Purchase: 4/20/16
    Check Cashed:7/6/16
    Approved:5/5/17
    Stamped Recived: Still waiting

    380 days from purchase. 303 days from pending date. My wife literally had our first child in a shorter time. Pregnant at 7/20/16 born on 3/18/17.

  • #79896
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    Finally,

    Order Placed with SilencerShop
    5/27/2016

    Form 4 Status:

    Submitted 7/1/2016

    Pending date of 7/12/2016. Yes, today would be ten months.

    Approved date of 5/11/2016 in their Martinsburg, West Virginia office.

    I was so surprised by the approval I forgot to ask for the control number since I think another poster has requested this. Perhaps it is in the approvals package.

    It appears some others get their stamp in about a week, for others it takes about two weeks. Not sure if the office location makes a difference for this.

    Was also told I can submit a new Form 4 trust application with fingerprints taken on any 258 cards, not just ATF 258 cards. When you send these in they just put a sticker over the ORI location on the 258 that identifies the card as having come from some other group.

  • #79899
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Purchased 6/21/16
    Check Cashed 7/25/16

    Approved??????

    First time posting, but I’ve scrolled through quite a bit. I called yesterday, and they told me it would be about the end of June before I see my suppressor in my hands. I hope they’re wrong, this is my first suppressor

    • This reply was modified 3 months, 1 week ago by Profile photo of Nick Nick.
    • #79907
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      Yep, that sounds about right….

    • #80671
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      Nick
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      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      Purchased 6/21/16
      Check Cashed 7/25/16

      called again today, said it is “being reviewed”….anyone know how long that typically takes? Buddy that bought the same night I did was approved 2 days ago, which is kind of a buzzkill for me.

      • #80673
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        That’s a good sign

  • #79901
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    E-Rod
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Purchase Date – 5/20/16
    Transferred – not sure
    Pending Date – 7/13/16 – called and still pending (not assigned yet)

    Man this is brutal…… I was told it should be assigned the next 2-3 weeks…………..

  • #79902
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    Just got off the phone with NFA. They received the paperwork for both of my suppressors on July 14. Checks were cashed. The lady was very nice and although the recording said the wait time was 3 minutes, she picked up after less than 20 seconds. Anyway, she suggested I call back in two weeks if I don’t hear anything. Yeah, I’m getting excited!!

  • #79903
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Just spoke with NFA, 20163250XX (SBR form 1 e-file trust 7/7/16) still pending. She said they are working on the first part of July and it shouldn’t be much longer. My form 4 suppressor from the same date, July 7, 2016 – 201723627 (paper trust) was approved on 4/27/17 and stamp received on 5/2/17.

    • #79916
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      rmikeburns,

      can you tell me if the form 4 suppressor July 7,2016 was submitted date or check cashed date? I’m about 70,000 behind you but my check was cashed July 22. I’m hoping the July 7th date is the check cashed date otherwise I’m thinking I won’t see my stamp before August. Crazy!!

  • #79917
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    D_W, Paperwork was delivered to ATF on 7/7/16. Check was cashed on 7/11/16.

  • #79919
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Gemtech Tracker SS
    Check cashed 7/12/16
    305 days Still Pending

  • #79921
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Finally after 311 days I have my silencer in hand!

  • #79925
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    mrlovelace
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Pending 7/5/16 approved 4/21/17 silencer picked up 05/13/17

  • #79939
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Form 4 Trust
    Sparrow 22
    Paperwork sent 2 day 7/12/16
    Check cashed 7/15/16
    Approved 5/8/17
    No info from dealer yet
    First NFA call was a success!!

    YHM ULT 30
    Sent same day, separate envelope
    Check cashed 7/22/16
    Still pending

  • #79967
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    Gemtech ONE
    Form 4 sent 5/15/17…

  • #79974
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    MD
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    FORM 4 Trust
    Paperwork sent: 7/8/16
    Rcvd: 7/14/16
    Check Cashed: 7/15/16
    Status: Still pending.

    I sent this in via paper form and so on the phone requested the control number based upon previous entry’s. The gentleman I spoke with became agitated stating that I had no need to know the control number. When I mentioned that it appeared from the forums online that it would help us narrow into the timing of our approval he said that it did not. He then asked my name, and repeated it as he apparently wrote my name down, then called out my caller ID number as he wrote that down as well. (Kinda reminded me of being in trouble in my math class in 7th grade 30 some years ago…

    I tried being polite and thanked him for their hard work to which his reply was that they are working on it 24×7… You know, I can get a meal and a great drink with a smile from a carhop at Sonic for under $10. I’m not sure why I get a jerk for the $200 this costs me…

    • #79976
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      I hear Cuba is lovely and they don’t extradite? Watch yo back

    • #79980
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      Just call back, I talked to Melissa and she gave me the # with no questions asked

    • #79985
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      I think I have talked to that same guy before……. He was like we will have it ready when we have it ready, I cant give you a time frame…….. These government workers forget who they actually work for and despite what they think we are not the customers, we are actually the employers…..

  • #79975
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    Gozirra
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    SBR purchased 7/4/16
    Check cashed: 7/18/16
    Status: Pending

  • #79979
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Longtime lurker,

    SilencerCo can
    Form 4 Trust

    CTL# 2017333XX
    Purchased: 06/??/16
    Check Cashed: 07/13/16
    Status: ClusterF

  • #79981
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Purchased Colt Industries M16A2 on 05/09/16
    Form 3 filled on 06/18/2016
    Form 4 filled and mailed on 07/08/2016
    Check cashed on 07/14/2016
    Control number: 2017359XX
    Tranfer Status: Pending
    My Status: “Itching”

    Edited: to correct date (year) for “check cashed”.

    • This reply was modified 3 months ago by Profile photo of FH WantM16.
  • #79983
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Purchased Colt Industries M16A2 on 05/09/16
    Form 3 filled on 06/18/2016
    Form 4 filled and mailed on 07/08/2016
    Check cashed on 07/14/2017
    Control number: 2017359XX
    Tranfer Status: Pending
    My Status: “Itching”

    Check cashed on 07/14/2017 Or 2016?

  • #79991
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    SiCo Hybrid
    F4 Trust
    Cashed 7/18/16
    Approved 5/7/17
    Waiting to hear from dealer now…

  • #80001
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Finally stamp #2 arrived at the dealer today. Stopped by and grabbed it to bring it home almost immediately. Info below.

    SiCo Octane 9 HD
    Form 4 Trust in GA
    Forms Sent: 7/5/2016
    Check Cashed: 7/11/2016
    Stamp Approved: 4/29/2017
    Stamp at Dealer: 5/16/2017

    Tracker updated.

    Just waiting on the Omega 30 now and I’ll be back to the long term waiting mode for recent forms sent. Happy shooting fellas.

  • #80006
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    Bigtoot
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    What does it mean when they say pending. It has been assingned to a rep. How long once assigned till approval

    Thanks
    Larry

  • #80007
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    This is to advise you that the status of your eForms submission with the subject Permit/Control number has changed to APPROVED
    Permit/Control No: 20163250XX
    Your Reference No:
    Submission Date: 2016-07-07-04:00
    Form ID: ATF FORM 1 (5320.1) – APPLICATION TO MAKE AND REGISTER A FIREARM

    I hope everyone in the early July group receives their permits soon!

  • #80008
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    Eucerin
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    • Posts: 4
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Form 4 Individual
    Purchased: 9/13/2016
    Check Cashed: 3/13/2017 (6 months from submission date)
    Approved: Pending
    243 days and counting

  • #80009
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    Sweet!! Finally

    Purchased from SS June 2nd,2016

    Pending July 12th, 2016

    Approved May 15th.

    Yes my application was in none of those trucks from the SS. Now just waiting for stamp to show up at dealer.

    I hope this offers hope to others!

  • #80014
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    Wiebes
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Form 4 Individual
    Purchased: 9/13/2016
    Check Cashed: 3/13/2017 (6 months from submission date)
    Approved: Pending
    243 days and counting

    So, you appear to be in the same boat as me. Sent in the application Fall of last year but with a check cashed date of March. What the heck is going on with that? Backlog from the wild amount of July submissions?

    • #80016
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      Wait, so check cashed was way late, but what do they have as the Pending date? Could have been entered into the system and then the check was mismanaged

  • #80017
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    Eucerin
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    I paid with a Credit/debt card so it was not a check issue. I need to call and get more information thanks for the reply.

    • #80018
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      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      Anytime! NFA (wishful) shopping and forums are my mental escapes during the work day 🙂 My pending date is 10/19 so I don’t have a real card to play yet

      • #80023
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        Join Date: 10/12/2016

        Mine was also paid via cc and not check. Really not sure why the delay in charging the card. I had called in February and was told I had not even been loaded into the system. Good to see that August form 4 individual approval posted in the other forum.

  • #80019
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    Sweet!! Finally

    Purchased from SS June 2nd,2016

    Pending July 12th, 2016

    Approved May 15th.

    Yes my application was in none of those trucks from the SS. Now just waiting for stamp to show up at dealer.

    I hope this offers hope to others!

    Thank you, do you have the first 7 digi of your control #?

  • #80061
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Gemtech Tracker from SS
    Purchased 5/27/16
    Forms sent 6/30/16
    Check cashed 7/12/16
    Approved 5/10/17
    348 days
    Waiting on stamp
    Updated tracker

  • #80064
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Purchase Date – 5/20/16
    Transferred – not sure
    Pending Date – 7/13/16
    Approved Date – 5/16/17

    Stamp – waiting

    After buying my suppressor over a year ago and with this being my first one, this process is ridiculous. Talk about unnecessary and a burden. I paid over 1300$ for an item that I will not be able to hold until after 13 months of time. I was thinking that after this last election that this would at least get better, but don’t hold your breath on anything changing is what I have come to see. Even when Trump tries to change something he faces McCain and Graham opposition as well as Democrats. This will be my one and only unless things change, but I am glad the wait is finally over.

  • #80072
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Purchased 06/26/16
    Check cashed 07/11/16
    Pick up from dealer 05/17/17

  • #80084
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    Mike
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Forms sent 5/15/17
    Check cashed 5/19/17

  • #80130
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    Pmano
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Got a surprise answer when I called today.

    APPROVED
    Form 4 trust SilencerCO can
    CTRL# 2017333XX
    Purchased: 06/2016
    Credit Card charged: 07/13/2016
    Pending: 07/13/2016
    Approved: 05/17/2017

  • #80141
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Purchased at SS in Austin, TX on 05-19-2016
    Submitted to ATF on 07-04-2016
    Check cashed 07-12-2016
    Form 3 disposed on 12-01-2016

    Called today and spoke to Melissa, who was very nice, and told me…I was APPROVED on 05-21-2017!!!

    367 days from purchase date until approval date.
    313 days from check cashed date until approval date.

    Now, just to wait for the dealer to receive the stamp!

    • #80142
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      Know when the Form 3 was sent? Waiting on a Viper from Gemtech, should have been approved by now.

  • #80143
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    I’ve got two suppressor form 4 trust transfers with a check cashed date of 7/19. I noticed on the tracker there are a few approvals on this date or within a day or two. Anyone else seen approvals from around this time?

  • #80146
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    I’ve got two suppressor form 4 trust transfers with a check cashed date of 7/19. I noticed on the tracker there are a few approvals on this date or within a day or two. Anyone else seen approvals from around this time?

    My checks were cashed on 7/14/16 and the suppressors approved 5/20/17. Still waiting for the stamps to arrive.

  • #80148
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    Gozirra
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    SBR purchased 7/4/16
    Check cashed: 7/18/16
    Status: Pending

    I called today and was told my application was pending, however, she said that it was being reviewed now. This is my first paper form 4 so I’m not sure what that means? Barring any issues, does this mean it should be approved any time now? I’ve already got a few NFA items and this one is for an SBR from my dealer, so I’m assuming the paperwork should be tight.

  • #80168
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Gemtech Tracker from SS
    Purchased 5/27/16
    Forms sent 6/30/16
    Check cashed 7/12/16
    Approved 5/10/17
    348 days
    Stamp received 5/25/17
    Updated tracker

  • #80177
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Griffin Resistance 45
    Purchased 5/30/2016
    Forms Sent 7/5/2016
    Check Cashed 7/12/2016
    Approved 5/17/2017
    310 Days
    Stamp still en route.
    Updated tracker.

  • #80178
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Silencer CO Octane 45HD
    Trust
    Purchased 5 July 2016
    Check Cashed 13 July 2016
    Approved 19 May 2017
    Picked up from deal 25 May 2017

  • #80194
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    For those who submitted via SS pre 41F;

    Form 4 Status: Submitted 7/7/2016

    What is your check cashed date?

    • #80195
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      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      Submitted by SS on 7/7….Pending 7/21

      • #80383
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        mattman
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        Join Date: 10/12/2016

        Called ATF first time today, was on hold maybe 60 seconds, spoke to a lady.

        Pending 7/22/16; No other information was offered.

        SS “My Transfers” states:
        Order placed 6/18/2016
        Form 4 submitted 7/7/16
        Form 3 disposed 5/11/17

        matt

        • This reply was modified 2 months, 2 weeks ago by Profile photo of Matt Manicke mattman.
    • #80198
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      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      SS submitted F4: 7/4/16
      Check cashed and pending: 7/18/16
      *Still pending as of last Monday

    • #80315
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      leucein
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      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      SS submitted 7/9 check cashed 7/25

  • #80241
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    HAZMAT
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    TRUST FORM 4
    SILENCER CO HYBRID .46
    CASHED DATE 07/10/2016
    APPROVED 05/22/2017
    STAMP IN HAND 05/30/2017
    COLORADO

  • #80306
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Silencerco Hybrid
    Form 4 Trust Texas

    Mailed Date 7/8/16
    Pending Date 7/18/16
    Approved Date 5/30/17
    Stamp in hand ?

    Just called and got the good news. Told the lady (Laura) I talked to that news was almost better than sex.

  • #80307
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Someone on Reddit/r/NFA claims to have just been approved with a check cash date of 9/28/16

    ANARCHY

  • #80314
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    SS submitted 7/9, check cashed 7/25. On 5/9 they were working on early June, today they are up to June 15. I with the 280ish days suggested by the bar graph was accurate, I would have had it almost a month ago, instead I’m at 311 and counting. Hopefully it doesn’t take them another 2 months to get through the next 10 days of submissions.

    • #80324
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      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      Leucein,

      thank you for the the update, but did you mean today they are up to July 15th, not June 15?

  • #80325
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Just called them about mine. Talked to Cathy and she told me that they are working on the first half of July and that it has been their biggest month (for obvious reasons). I’m hoping by the end of this month (June) I will be approved and maybe have it in hand by the middle of July.

    Purchased: 6/10/16 from SS
    Form 4 Trust Submitted: 7/7/16
    ATF Received Form 4: 7/22/16
    Status: Pending

  • #80346
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Form 4, paper, trust:

    Sent: July 12, 2016(last day before 41F)
    Received: July 14, 2016
    Card charged: July 18, 2016
    Pending: July 19, 2016

    Just called and talked to a lady and was told it is still pending, but she also added that it “has been pulled and is being reviewed”. I hope that means someone is working on it and should not be much longer, that is, if everything goes smoothly and there are no problems. Will call back in a few days and hope to get some good news! Will update when I do.

  • #80351
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    hammerli
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Form 4 Trust
    Silencerco Hybrid 46
    Purchased 07-11-2016
    Mailed on 07-11-2016
    Check cashed 07-15-2016
    Approved on 05-23-2017
    Stamp arrived 05-30-2017
    Michigan

  • #80355
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    Ron Riley
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Form 4 trust
    2 suppressors purchased 6/24/2016
    Not sure of submission date as this was through Silencer Shop.
    Check cashed 7/21/2016

    348 days since purchase, 317 days since check cashed. Still waiting.
    Texas

    • #80362
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      chorizo
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      Uhhhggg. It has to be killing you.

  • #80357
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    Tom
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    Submitted 7/6
    Check cashed 7/19
    Pending 7/21

    Can anyone shed some light on the variances between submit, cash and pending dates? Some people waited nearly a month for there check to cash, some went pending the day that it did, I went pending two days later. Anybody have any knowledge on the causes of this?

    • #80359
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      chorizo
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      Humans.

      It all depends what box the paperwork is in, if the application is at the top of the stack or bottom of the stack, who gets it (if they are on vacation, out sick, or work slowly or quickly), who enters it into the computer or if the find an initial error upon entering it, if it is a check, credit card or postal money order in short, whole host of human factors.

      • This reply was modified 2 months, 2 weeks ago by Profile photo of chorizo chorizo.
  • #80358
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    WantM16
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    I called yesterday and was transferred to an examiner that asked me for my serial number and told me that I was missing the “Schedule of Beneficiaries” and asked me to email it back to him. I remember when I submitted it originally the dealer told me “You don’t need that, just hold onto to it” he sounded like he knew what he was talking about… Maybe he has done that once or twice before.

    I emailed the attorney that prepared the trust asking him what was the Schedule of Beneficiaries but didn’t hear back from him so I decided to email the examiner Schedule B, C, and D just for to be safe. Schedule B is titled: Current Trustees, D is: Remainder Beneficiaries and C is: Successor Trustees. I didn’t have the signed version, so I signed each and put last year’s date.

    I hope this is all they are looking for and I will have my firearm soon.

    • #80361
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      KFILIPS
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      What’s the phone number to contact Examiner???

      Purchased-160629
      CheckCashed-160725
      Transferred-160927
      still waiting, even though they’re receiving first week of July now… WTF?

      • #80363
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        chorizo
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        Join Date: 10/12/2016

        It isn’t exactly linear, they haven’t yet gotten into the July 25 check cashed applications (they are right now doing 12-17 July look at the transfer tracker chart for trusts) and there might be 10s of THOUSANDS of applications in front of yours.

      • #81960
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        Dnut
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        Dude, i think they don’t like you or something. I think you should call down there, and ask them WTF are they doing with YOUR tax dollars. Tell them to get there shit together, you’ve been waiting long enough. But don’t be surprised they will commonly transfer you to Hellan Wait.

        “Go to HELL AND WAIT, CLICK”…..

        Seriously now that I’m done busting your balls. Have you contacted your SOT dealer to see if there’s anything wrong with your paperwork. Or made a call to the ATF to ask them??

  • #80364
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    rb288
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    Form 4 trust…
    Sent to ATF…7/8/16
    Check cashed…7/15/16
    Approved…5/30/17 (319 days)
    Recieved…. not rcvd yet (as of 6/3/17)

    • This reply was modified 2 months, 2 weeks ago by Profile photo of rb288 rb288.
  • #80373
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    beavizard
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Form 4 Trust FL
    SilencerCo Hybrid
    Control #2017162**

    Purchased 6/03/16
    Forms Sent ?
    Check Cashed 7/12/16
    Approved 5/01/17
    Stamp & Can in hand 6/03/17

    Exactly 1 Year to the Day!

    Atf took 293 days to approve.
    Pretty sure my dealer added almost a month to both sides.
    Purchase to check cashed = 39 days
    Approved to stamp received = 33 days

    Stopped in Friday to say it had been 32 days, and to request they file for a certified copy.
    Phone magically rang on Saturday, Hmmm…

    Oh well, it’s finally over! But I won’t be using them next time.

  • #80375
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    Brent Blacke
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    PA Form 4 Trust

    08-Jul-2016 – Can & SBR Purchased at local dealer
    19-Jul-2016 – Checks Cashed
    06-Jul-2017 – Dealer Received Tax Stamp for Can (nothing yet on SBR)

    Also purchased another can from different dealer on same day (check cashed 21-Jul-216), still no word from them.

  • #80376
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    Brent Blacke
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    -corrected-
    PA Form 4 Trust

    08-Jul-2016 – Can & SBR Purchased at local dealer
    19-Jul-2016 – Checks Cashed
    03-Jun-2017 – Dealer Received Tax Stamp for Can (nothing yet on SBR)

    Also purchased another can from different dealer on same day (check cashed 21-Jul-216), still no word from them.

  • #80381
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    bk
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    Silencerco Omega
    Purchased from dealer:3/18/2016
    (Form 4 item in stock)
    Received to reviewer:7/22/2016
    Approved:5/27/2017
    Picked up from dealer: TBD

  • #80382
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    waveslider
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    In 5 days, it will have been a full year since I purchased my in-stock suppressor. sigh

    • #80391
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      Flagflyfish
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      I’m right there with ya…..

  • #80389
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    MD
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    FORM 4 Trust
    Paperwork sent: 7/8/16
    Rcvd: 7/14/16
    Check Cashed: 7/15/16
    Approved: 5/30/17
    Status: Waiting on Stamp

    FORM 4 Trust
    Paperwork sent: 7/7/16
    Rcvd: 7/14/16
    Check Cashed: 7/18/16
    Approved: 6/5/17
    Status: Waiting on Stamp

  • #80392
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    Mike
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    Form 4 Trust
    Paperwork Sent 5/30/17
    Check Cashed 6/5/17

    ……………………………….waiting

    • #80393
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      chorizo
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      Ouch!

      • #80395
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        Mike
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        Join Date: 10/12/2016

        haha ya, I have a few others pending between 10/19/16 and now so there will be intermittent relief!

        • #80396
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          chorizo
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          Join Date: 10/12/2016

          I got both of my June 2016 applications stamps over the last 2 months (I have 6 cans total bought over the last 4 years), but I do have a Jan 2017 submission pending……..I am just going to forget about it and hopefully I will get the stamp before I forget that I bought it.

          Still well over 150,000 pending applications from the pre-41f application surge according to my calculations…..just thinking about it makes you want to run screaming from the room.

  • #80405
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    Rebelcowboy50
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    Picked up my suppressor today and didn’t pay attention until now,my form 4 doesn’t have my complete address for my trust. Its missing the first two numbers. What do i need to do? I also updated the tracker as well. Pending july 14th,approved may 29th and picked up today.

    • #80410
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      Mike
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      I’d give them a call. I know you can have form 4s updated for incorrect model numbers, etc.

  • #80406
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    IRPamlico
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Surefire Socom 300
    Purchased from SS 7/12/16
    Check cashed 7/18/16
    *Approved 6/1/17!*
    Awaiting stamp. NC

    Only got one more approval to wait on that was cashed 6/22/17

    Hopefully this brings hope to some.

    • #80428
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      Flagflyfish
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      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      Nice!! Congrats!!
      I don’t know what to think about SS…..I purchased mine on 6/8/16, my form 4 was submitted 7/6/16 and the check cashed 7/22/16….still pending…..I really don’t know what to think about SS…..hopefully it gets approved soon.:)

      • #80438
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        chorizo
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        Join Date: 10/12/2016

        SS has to wait until the Form 3 is approved before they submit the Form 4…that usually take 30 days (they get electronic notification or it would take MUCH longer…like 2.5 months).

        They did you right.

        • #80439
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          Mike
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          Join Date: 10/12/2016

          Pretty sure they submit both the Form 3 and Form 4 at the same time, given the wait times there is no worry about the Form 4 being addressed before the Form 3 is approved

          • #80443
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            chorizo
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            They do not submit at the same time. Your SOT cannot submit a form 4 for something that is not transferred to them so SS must wait until the ATF notifies them that the SOT to which the can is being transferred is approved for receipt. At that point they are allowed to submit the form 4. That is the way they do business. I have personally asked them that question when they transferred a can to a LGS, spoken to ATF agents about that when I was doing all the SOT paperwork while working at a LGS, and asked SS about it when they processed a form 3 and form 4 for me personally.

            • #80444
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              Mike
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              Can’t or Shouldn’t? I’ve heard of numerous instances of it being done…

              • #80462
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                chorizo
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                Well, let me put it this way……it is illegal to do so. Keep that in mind when you are ratting out your favorite SOT.

  • #80414
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    Mike
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    Anyone know what submission month they are entering into the system currently? By that I mean, I had a check cashed a few weeks ago but the serial number isn’t “pending” (or even in the system) as of Monday. Mainly checked to confirm it was processed, etc.

    I could call back but not exactly worth the phone traffic right now.

    • #80430
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      geclevel
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      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      when I was tracking down my issue Stephanie informed me that there are two separate departments. One processes payment then sends the paperwork to the other department. I’m sure your paperwork is in route to the other department who enters data.

    • #80436
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      Eaglearcher20
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      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      My was sent in the first week of May and is still not in the system. They told me it takes roughly 4-6 weeks to get into the system.

      • #80437
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        Mike
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        Join Date: 10/12/2016

        Thanks! I’ll wait another month+ before calling again. Continue to stalk approval dates in the meantime

  • #80441
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    Gozirra
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    • Posts: 4
    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    SBR purchased 7/4/16
    Check cashed: 7/18/16
    Approved: 6/1/2017

    Purchase to approved – 332 days
    Check cashed to approved – 318 days
    Approved to stamp received – ???

    • #80503
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      Gozirra
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      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      **UPDATE**
      Stamp received – 6/12/2017
      Approved to stamp received – 11 days

      SBR purchased to stamp received – 343 days

      My NFA history:
      SBR X2 – Form 1 – 13 months – paper – 2014
      SBR – Form 1 – 6 months – eFile – 2015
      SBR – Form 1 – 5 months – eFile – 2016
      SBR – Form 4 – 11 months – paper – 2017

  • #80446
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    Brian in Portland
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    The wait times on the bar chart seem to be more accurate now. The rub seems to be getting the correct page to re-load. On my phone it seems to work better than my PC and I have no explanation for that. The short version is that current wait times are unacceptable. I find it hypocritical that when the government (state, local, federal, whatever) they treat us like “we’ll get around to it if you pay now,” yet if we owe (such as taxes) it’s pay now and if not pay penalties also.” I’ve had to wait nearly a year with DMV to get a title, talk about customer service…

    All that said I am at 330 days, yes, 11 months waiting for a form 4. I got in with what I’ll call the “rush batch” before the new rules. I have 2 more form 4’s pending at 90 or so days. I’m curious what things will look like going forward with the post-rush-batch processing times.

  • #80447
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    jwsm
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Form 4, paper, trust:

    Sent: July 12, 2016(last day before 41F)
    Received: July 14, 2016
    Card charged: July 18, 2016
    Pending: July 19, 2016

    Just called and talked to a lady and was told it is still pending, but she also added that it “has been pulled and is being reviewed”. I hope that means someone is working on it and shoul
    d not be much longer, that is, if everything goes smoothly and there are no problems. Will call back in a few days and hope to get some good news! Will update when I do.

    Woohoo! Just found out I got approved yesterday. My first suppressor, and most likely my last one, too. Don’t think I want to go through this process again.

    Sent: July 12, 2016(last day before 41F)
    Received: July 14, 2016
    Card charged: July 18, 2016
    Pending: July 19, 2016
    APPROVED: June 7, 2017

    • #80453
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      Eaglearcher20
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      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      That’s a shame that this process is so long and tedious that people just don’t want to go through it. This process should basically be 99% automated. Only if someone gets flagged or randomly audited should it be manually processed.

      I just sent in my first two and if times don’t improve greatly (under 3-4 months) they will most likely be my only two.

    • #80593
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      jwsm
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      Update:

      Form 4, paper, trust:

      Sent: July 12, 2016(last day before 41F)
      Received: July 14, 2016
      Card charged: July 18, 2016
      Pending: July 19, 2016
      APPROVED: June 7, 2017
      Stamp received: June 15, 2017

  • #80456
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    rsolli
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Eaglearcher20, there should not even be a “process” but as there is, I agree it should be automated and done at point of purchase, as the HPA is meant to accomplish. However the HPA has been sitting in committee and is dying on the vine. The passage of the HPA should be a slam dunk with a Republican majority in Congress and a president willing to sign it. I don’t give it much hope to pass any time soon or ever. I too have had my Form 4s languish in ATF purgatory for almost 12 months and to be honest, suppressors are cool and do serve to help with the sound, but the cost and wait are definitely not worth the expense or wait times as they are. Just my 2 cents.

  • #80457
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    Schwartzer
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Since the law stated the last date was anything post marked July 14, can everyone that sent out thier forms on July 14 state what date your check got cashed.

    • #80458
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      geclevel
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      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      @schwartzer These should be captured in the data table.

      • #80463
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        chorizo
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        EXACTLY Ever since we got a forum attached to this site, the data base has been ignored. By simply going to the data base a vast majority of the questions could be answered and many of the ridiculous comments and assumptions about timing, how long until I get my stamp, and what are they approving right now would go away.

        Additionally way too many folks are posting their info in the forum instead of entering it into the data base. This helps nobody.

  • #80459
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    Grant
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    This was my first time purchasing a suppressor and sbs. Check cashed early august 2016, still waiting. This will be my last purchase if these times and procedures are what is to be expected from now on. We pay big bucks for the products and we comply with tax stamp fees and they make us wait after jump through hoops? It would be nice if the customers actually went on a “suppressor strike” or whatever you want to call it. Or did not order or build any class 3 firearms until they meet our expectations. We are the ones funding with tax stamp fees. Also if that isn’t enough then I’m sure the nra and suppressor manufacturers (who will also see major sales declines) have enough money and power to light a fire under there ass to make a change. Now some savy person that understands social media..(I personally never cared to learn) please feel free to start that hashtag# @ twitter thing. #suppressor strike
    @ defund till satisfied
    -Thanks for listening to my perspective on the topic-

  • #80460
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    jkacg1
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    This was my first time purchasing a suppressor and sbs. Check cashed early august 2016, still waiting. This will be my last purchase if these times and procedures are what is to be expected from now on. We pay big bucks for the products and we comply with tax stamp fees and they make us wait after jump through hoops? It would be nice if the customers actually went on a “suppressor strike” or whatever you want to call it. Or did not order or build any class 3 firearms until they meet our expectations. We are the ones funding with tax stamp fees. Also if that isn’t enough then I’m sure the nra and suppressor manufacturers (who will also see major sales declines) have enough money and power to light a fire under there ass to make a change. Now some savy person that understands social media..(I personally never cared to learn) please feel free to start that hashtag# @ twitter thing. #suppressor strike
    @ defund till satisfied
    -Thanks for listening to my perspective on the topic-

    Wow. You should really think that one through a bit. So when you wave your magic #fairy_dust and stop buying NFA items and get all your followers to do the same, and somehow a #hashtag actually accomplishes something, and the government miraculously becomes efficient automated or scraps the NFA Registry, the businesses who have not sold a product during this #campaign are still going to be there so you can buy Suppressor no. 2?

    • This reply was modified 2 months, 1 week ago by Profile photo of jkacg1 jkacg1.
  • #80473
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    Mike
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    https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_486/276176_.html

    SS submits form 4 half way through form 3 process.

    Where is there any legislation about submitting them together?

  • #80475
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    Optman09
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    I think they had to get permission from atf just to be able to submit the F4 before the F3 was complete. The F4 would have knowingly false information on it otherwise. Until the F3 is approved, the the transferer is SS; not the LGS you pick it up from. At the current wait times it doesn’t seem like a problem unless there is a F3 denial (*I wonder if that ever happens)

  • #80476
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    troberts
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    I have a quick trust question that I’m hoping some of yall have experience with. If my address has changed since I had my trust notarized, do I need to have it re-done? Just curious if the ATF will have issue with me filing for a Form 4 with a trust address that doesn’t match my current.

  • #80477
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    Eaglearcher20
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Can anyone tell me what 41f really accomplished? It takes a little more time to submit documentation (additional fingerprints), but otherwise doesn’t really change anything does it? I’m trying to get my head around why there was such a MASSIVE spike trying to beat the deadline. There was like a 6 month boom in the suppressor industry and now it is close to being on life support.

    I’m thinking maybe I missed an important note on 41f other than the additional fingerprints. Either that or people are incredibly paranoid about the government having information on them.

    Also, i’m not trying to be condescending. I’m really curious as to what the big deal was.

    • #80478
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      Mike
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      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      The paperwork burden, plus the background check on everyone else who is on the trust (responsible persons) so it isn’t just a “good ol boys” club with only 1 person being investigated. The irony is the ability to add and drop trustees between submissions (if your trust is set up to easily do so), which basically eliminates the need for that.

      Correct me if I am wrong please…but that is all I can tell

      I think people panicked and didn’t want to wait on all their trustees to get their shit together, but hey just speculation. Even more irony is submitting all of it early likely caused longer wait times than not freaking out and submitting post 41f, creating manageable workloads.

      • #80482
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        Eaglearcher20
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        That is kind of what I thought. Mass panic over a little extra work and it is kind of back firing in a VERY real way. Not only have times skyrocketed, but the Silencer industry is taking a serious beating (combined with people waiting on the HPA to pass which I am having serious doubts ever will).

  • #80480
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    Onelargeeye
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Patience Wearing Thin:
    Purchased from SS on 6-6-2016
    SS submitted to NFA 7-7-2016
    Form 3 Disposed 8-3-2016
    Check cashed 7-20-2016

    1 year and 6 days since purchase.
    326 days since check cashed.

    I have called a couple of times checking on status and get the standard answer “Pending”

  • #80483
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    TrooperBrian
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    I finally gave in and called and I seem to be in the same boat as most people. I would have expected it would be done by now!

    Sent by SS: 7-7-2016
    Pending: 7-22-2016
    Today: PENDING

    The gal I spoke to said they are currently working on July 21st and July 22nd.

  • #80484
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    WNC Ed
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    Purchased 7/09/16
    Submitted 7/11/16
    Stamp arrived 6/10/17

    I guess I am one of the lucky ones
    I have been checking this weekly so thought I should share my update

    • #80485
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      Andrew
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      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      What was your check cashed date?

      • #80510
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        WNC Ed
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        No way to know.
        I paid the dealer cash – he sent his check with the paperwork.

  • #80486
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    Corey
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    My annoyance with this entire process is now revolving around silencer shop. My perception is they held a bunch of submissions JUST for the bragging rights of the “largest one day submission”.

    Is this unfounded? I don’t know, but my submission was grouped in this garbage although submitted well before.

    Corey

    Silencer Shop Sends $2M+ Worth Of NFA Stamp Applications – In ONE Day

    • #80487
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      chorizo
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      Join Date: 10/12/2016

      Corey, you think because you submitted an application that wasn’t a SS purchase and all those folks who did should wait behind you?
      Unless you submitted your application months prior, you are right, it is unfounded

      • This reply was modified 2 months, 1 week ago by Profile photo of chorizo chorizo.
  • #80489
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    mattman
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    I think what Corey is saying is they held his paperwork, unnecessarily.
    I too assumed my paperwork would be sent in relatively soon after it was ready.
    I too am not very happy to learn the submission was “delayed”.
    Had I sent it in myself, would I have beat the bottleneck? Possibly…

  • #80490
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    Cntrl23
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    I sent three forms in the same envelope on 7/11/2016.

    One Form 1 and two Form 4’s.
    All paper, Trust.

    I received my Form 1 stamp via USPS on Saturday 6/10, approved 5/27.

    Two Form 4’s still pending.

    Purchased: 7/5/2016
    Forms Mailed: 7/11/2016
    Check Cashed/Pending: 7/14/2016
    Approved: TBD (Still pending as of this AM)

  • #80497
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    TrooperBrian
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    Join Date: 10/12/2016

    For those of us experienced in this process, the wait is going to be extended no matter when or who sent your paperwork. I live in multiple states throughout the year so I just file it and forget it. I once had an approved stamp sit for almost 6 months because I was away on an assignment.

    Just be patient with what we have, folks. 🙂

  • #80500
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    People, just have some patience.
    I don’t like the system either, but it is what it is.
    I have, currently, 4 suppressors and 2 sbrs
    1st suppressor and both sbrs took 3 months
    2nd and 3rd suppressors took 7 months
    4th suppressor took 10 months
    I also have 2 more suppressors and 1 sbr and 1 sbs that are now pushing 11 months.
    Be patient, don’t give yourself ulcers worrying about it, you will get it eventually.
    Going crazy and complaining about how long it takes isn’t going to make it go any faster.
    Currently, 10 to 12 months.

  • #80501
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    Hopefully this is useful info to everyone…scroll halfway down

    http://mailchi.mp/americansilencerassociation/hpa-language-incorporated-into-share-act

    New Statistics from ATF

    ASA staff made several trips to Washington, D.C. in May. We had the opportunity to sit down with senior ATF staff to discuss technical details of the Hearing Protection Act and we also received updated statistics regarding Form 4 applications received and current processing times. As of May:
    Processing time was 10 months
    30,000 Pre-41F applications remained
    NFA Branch was processing 8,000-10,000 applications per week
    Total NFA form backlog was 130,000 applications

    Based on these numbers, Pre-41F applications SHOULD be done in the next 3-4 weeks. There are currently 100k applications (after the 30k Pre-41F) remaining, plus what is currently being submitted.

    Seems the rest of June will be used for taking care of Pre-41F, and then July will show how fast the Post-41F apps get processed.

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      That’s interesting, since we are half way through June it means that the data is at least 2 plus weeks old and therefore the number of remaining applications should be sizably smaller by now… if not at the tail end of it. On the flip side, you still have a good number of folks reporting that they haven’t received their approvals… not sure whom to believe, hopefully those numbers are accurate.

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        I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume the longest time (~8k per week) plus throw in a buffer week or so. My next pending is 10/19 so I have a bit either way.

        Someone above said they are processing July 21/22 pending dates currently (which doesn’t say much about postage date). My “guess” is they will be done with Pre-41F by the end of June.

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        I received the same email and thought the numbers had to be off (Assuming the 8-10k per week). Cause based off those numbers, if the backlog was at 130k and at 8k processing per week that means they will clear the backlog in a little over 16 weeks. Meaning everything that had been submitted by the time of the interview (roughly) will have been completed by October/November including stuff submitted this year as late as April and May.

        Now I HOPE that is true cause that means I should be getting my May submitted Suppressor and SBR by the end of this year, but I just have my doubts. Fingers crossed though.

        • #80515
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          Yes with those assumptions that timeline is correct, HOWEVER, they hired extra help to get through the bottleneck. The rate of approvals is based on this…which may not be continued after a certain point.

          we shall seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

  • #80502
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    Corey,

    Thanks for posting that. Now I understand why I’m over 12 months since purchase despite having done so well before the deadline.

    Silencer shop’s stock just went WAY down in my eyes. I purchased and got my info in well before the deadline. With the intention and understanding that it would be processed on a FIFO basis. I’m disappointed that it was held for over a month before it was actually submitted.

    What that tells me is that although my pending date is July 22nd, depending on which box my paperwork was in I could be in for a 20 month wait.

    Very disappointing. Will be reaching out to SS for an explanation.

    • #80516
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      Corey,

      Thanks for posting that. Now I understand why I’m over 12 months since purchase despite having done so well before the deadline.

      Silencer shop’s stock just went WAY down in my eyes. I purchased and got my info in well before the deadline. With the intention and understanding that it would be processed on a FIFO basis. I’m disappointed that it was held for over a month before it was actually submitted.

      What that tells me is that although my pending date is July 22nd, depending on which box my paperwork was in I could be in for a 20 month wait.

      Very disappointing. Will be reaching out to SS for an explanation.

      Looking back on that pic, it would be impossible for SS to complete that many forms in even just a week. I wonder what the earliest date is of the forms in that truck bed.

      • #80519
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        Mine was “submitted” 4/29 from SS and didn’t process until 6/21. Nearly a 2 mmonth delay because it went out the day before 41f in the mass mailing. Dissapointing SS delayed it tg hat long but it was a very easy process with them. Mine was approved 6/10 but was advised 2-3 weeks for stamp to reach the dealer.

  • #80505
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    Silencer RECEIVED!!!

    Dead Air Sandman-L

    Purchased: April 15, 2016
    Arrived at Dealer: July 2, 2016
    Form Sent: July 6, 2016
    Check Cashed: July 12, 2016
    Approved: May 11, 2017
    Stamp Arrived at Dealership: July 6, 2017

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      The funny thing is, my wife and I had our first child June 5. So we literally created a human in less time than my stamp took to go through the process

      And my last date should be JUNE 6, not july… sorry

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  • #80511
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    Wow 3.5 weeks from approved to received? Terrible!

    Congrats on the baby! My wife is about to pop too so in the same boat … my luck I’ll get the call while on the way to the hospital, just to add a few more days to the wait!

    • #80533
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      lol, well congrats to you too! Yea, we had the baby June 5. Later in the afternoon on June 6 i get a text from the dealer and i asked the wife if i could take a detour (went home and mowed before she came home from the hospital) on my way back to the hospital. No issues.

      So it was a good week last week haha

  • #80518
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    Just called this afternoon on my break and spoke with Laura at the nfa offices my 7/21/16 pending suppressors (x2) have been assigned to an agent and are being worked on. Mine were in the SS truckload.

  • #80522
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    Purchased Liberty Regulator from SS on 6/15/2015 (almost 1 year ago).
    Forms sent 7/7/2016
    Pending 7/22/2016
    Called yesterday–PENDING.
    Saw a few 7/21 & 7/22 on the tracking chart. Hoping any day now.

    • #80526
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      This week seems likely with the going trend. Good luck!

  • #80523
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    That being said, I had a friend who received a Form 1 SBR stamp return in 15 days. Of course, this was years ago. XD

  • #80527
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    Corey,

    Thanks for posting that. Now I understand why I’m over 12 months since purchase despite having done so well before the deadline.

    Silencer shop’s stock just went WAY down in my eyes. I purchased and got my info in well before the deadline. With the intention and understanding that it would be processed on a FIFO basis. I’m disappointed that it was held for over a month before it was actually submitted.

    What that tells me is that although my pending date is July 22nd, depending on which box my paperwork was in I could be in for a 20 month wait.

    Very disappointing. Will be reaching out to SS for an explanation.

    Looking back on that pic, it would be impossible for SS to complete that many forms in even just a week. I wonder what the earliest date is of the forms in that truck bed.

    Well, I can tell you I completed purchases on both June 10th and June 23rd and both of them have the same pending date in the system. Which tells me they showed up at the same time despite being ordered several weeks apart.

    The REAL question is, which box was my stuff in? Was it in the first box that got unloaded off that truck, or was it the last. There is no way anyone can convince me that any attempt was made to process in the order received. Even if silencer shop was that good, I assure you – our government is NOT. Disappointed.

    By looking at when others sent their form in and then went pending, it would indicate that my stuff was on the truck.

  • #80528
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    The funny thing is, my wife and I had our first child June 5. So we literally created a human in less time than my stamp took to go through the process

    That’s funny right there.

  • #80529
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    Corey,

    Thanks for posting that. Now I understand why I’m over 12 months since purchase despite having done so well before the deadline.

    Silencer shop’s stock just went WAY down in my eyes. I purchased and got my info in well before the deadline. With the intention and understanding that it would be processed on a FIFO basis. I’m disappointed that it was held for over a month before it was actually submitted.

    What that tells me is that although my pending date is July 22nd, depending on which box my paperwork was in I could be in for a 20 month wait.

    Very disappointing. Will be reaching out to SS for an explanation.

    Looking back on that pic, it would be impossible for SS to complete that many forms in even just a week. I wonder what the earliest date is of the forms in that truck bed.

    Well, I can tell you I completed purchases on both June 10th and June 23rd and both of them have the same pending date in the system. Which tells me they showed up at the same time despite being ordered several weeks apart.

    The REAL question is, which box was my stuff in? Was it in the first box that got unloaded off that truck, or was it the last. There is no way anyone can convince me that any attempt was made to process in the order received. Even if silencer shop was that good, I assure you – our government is NOT. Disappointed.

    By looking at when others sent their form in and then went pending, it would indicate that my stuff was on the truck.

    My 5 silencershop purchases, mid June, are on that truck. All with pending dates july 22. 4/5 of my capitol armory suppressor purchases have already been approved. All purchased a week after my silencershop purchases. That was a bullshit stunt to post that article. They would of been better off being quiet about it than publicizing it.

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  • #80531
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    So, since my pending dates are also July 22nd, you basically just confirmed that all of us got lumped into the same group and regardless of whether you made your purchase a month before, its quite possible/likely that the guy who sent in his stuff on July 11th gets processed first and someone who made their purchase is at the back of the bus at # 10,000.

    I am awaiting a response from Silencer Shop and holding out some hope. But I don’t like where this is headed and don’t have high hopes for any kind of rational response. Not happy that my stuff got held so they can have social media moment.

    I’m wondering if this will even get processed in 2017. Normally I would reserve my ire for the silly laws and the government, but this was a stupid stunt.

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  • #80534
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    LETS SEE SOME APPROVALS!

    seriously this is how I get through the day…