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  • #74510
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    I am curious as to how often the form 4 individual information is updated. On one hand it says average 150 days then according to the chart we are still in April. My card was Debited June 20. Is it calendar days or business days? The silencer shop states that they are receiving approvals on august already.

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    Currently you’re looking about 7 months 1 week on approvals for Form 4 Individual. The wait time is in CALENDAR days.

    As far as the SS website, you might want to read it again. They are in red numbers, meaning the dates are more than 7 days old. The date is 8/8/2015, not 2016.

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    Any form 4 individuals been approved lately? Called last week and mine was still pending. Check cashed April 18th

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      Yes, my check cash date was 4/29 and I was approved 12/16.

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        Damn. Hopefully mine is approved soon

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        Do you know how long after your info was processed til your item was passed through? My form 4 check was cashed the 26th of July and just today, 1-4 it was entered into the NFA sytem.

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    So question on this….my check was cashed 2 days after i FEDEX’d the package to them. Most of the trackers say 40 days to check cash, or is that 40 days check cash to pending status?

    • #75747
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      Once your check is cashed it automatically begins the “pending” status.

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        So strange thing…my dealer told me the check was cashed….but calling the ATF for status they say it is not in the system. Should I be concerned here?

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          I would definitely ask your dealer how and where he got that information.

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    So to clear up some confusion. Your “check” is processed usually in the first 3 to 5 days. Then you are in “pending” status, but with there back up it may take 1-4 months to be inputting in the system and be truly pending. Then you wait for them to say approved.

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      Travisk0024 is correct as this is the new norm. It used to be that when the check was cashed, then within a day or two it was entered into the system. But with the huge surge in applications, there is a large backlog of applications to enter as it takes longer to enter your information into the system than it takes to pull the check and enter it so it may be cashed.

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        Makes sense now guys…thank you. So my dealer is correct about the check cashing, just BATFE is behind with input. I would imagine once in their system it takes the date the check was cashed in an as of capacity to start the process. Fingers crossed to have it by August.

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          The application takes the date and case number assigned. It goes pending when the application is reviewed, deemed complete and correct and all information is entered in the system…which as you see is sometimes later than the check cashing then each case is assigned in a first in, first assigned (based upon case/application number) to a reviewer depending upon their case load.

          Not magic nor is it a mystery, just standard Federal bureaucracy.

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    finally aprroved!!!!
    Check cashed: 4-18
    approved: 12-28
    Now to wait for the stamp to come in

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    I see a lot of posts with mentions of application “pending”, where are you getting status updates?
    I am currently over 6 months since check cashed.

    thanks

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    You have to call the nfa branch and they will ask for your serial number and who it is being transferred to. Then they will give you the status. If you have only been waiting 6 months you still have a ways to go. At least 2 more months if not longer. Mine took close to 8 months and my check was cashed first week of May. This was with a trust and not the first item on the trust

    Check cashed 5-4-16
    Approved 12-21-16
    still waiting on stamp

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    Called Martinsburg today:

    LaRue TranQuilo on an Individual F4
    05/31/16 Check cashed
    06/01/16 Pending
    01/17/17 Approved

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    Paper F4 individual

    Check cashed 5-31-16
    Approved 1-11-17
    Stamp received 1-20-17
    Friday could not have been a better day. Got my 1st Can & a new President that loves this country. Things are looking up.

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    I just wish more people would post to this feed because this is how I filed my Form 4. lol
    Although, what is here has helped me greatly.

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    Check cashed 3 Jun 16, approved 20 Jan 17, stamp arrived at dealer today 27 Jan 17. Picking up today.

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      Woohoo! I bet you’re excited! Thanks for checking in

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    Anyone else here that would like to report individual form 4’s? It would be much appreciated.

    • #77748
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      wish i could still waiting check cashed june 14th, 2016 hope i have it by end of march.

      • #77750
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        Now more often it just seems like such a turnaround from what data has been reported. :/ .
        Most of the reports here have been around the 230-ish day mark and in which case you should have been free and clear.

        With that being said and in my opinion, I feel like they put a stop on the individuals and have been doing more trusts rather. They don’t make that sort of info public but it really seems to be that way because that is all that has been reported for the last couple weeks.

        I have one from July 6th, 2016. Each time I call they tell me something different. Last month I called and they said March and then a few days ago I called and she told me It would be more like the 10 month mark rather than the 8. Just bogus. Rant over.

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          right there with ya 259 days today or 8 months 14 days

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        My checks were also cashed on 6/14/16. When I called to check my status on Monday, they told me im still pending and that they are currently processing June. Hopefully not much longer as ive seen people from May/June getting theirs as early as Jan.

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    Me too. 4 cans Form 4 trust. Checks cashed 6/24/16, still no word. Guessing the last week of March.

    • #77753
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      Yeah, for trusts they are still in late May and barely into early June.
      As for individuals; they are some what closer to the 4th week of June as far as reports show. (These can be viewed on the transfer tracking)

      The difference of where they are in the forms is because of all the trust submissions trying to squeak in under the old rules. It basically backlogged the trusts form 4’s.

  • #77764
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    Hey Spy, do the individual forms get sorted from the trusts? Or is it first come first served?

    Brad

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      In theory no. They leave them intermingled and are not separated for different examiners.

      But if you could think of it symbolically as 2 lines. Both equal in length. One for trust and one for individuals. Both lines are in theory being helped at the same pace. BUT, what makes it different is that there are more in the trust line.

      Essentially because there are not as many in the individual line, it inherently moves fast in terms of date of approval.

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        I’m not sure that makes sense… if they leave them intermingled and do not separate trusts from individuals then the example of two lines doesn’t add up. Two separate lines (equal or otherwise) in of itself insinuates separation. Obviously folks are posting Aug approvals and Trusts are still in early to mid July, so something doesn’t add up. I called them today and they told me they do not get separated or reviewed by different department. They said its on a first come first serve basis. If that was the case, then how are the individual apps almost 30 days ahead…? Mine went pending late Oct so I’m ecstatic seeing aug individual approvals. Hope more people can post their Pending/Approval dates to see if there is a pattern or some folks simply got lucky.

        • #80073
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          They don’t separate them…..but the trusts go through an “extra” step to have the trust looked at. It used to be that trusts were faster, but since there are so many of them and only so many examiners to look at the trusts, they are taking about a month longer now.

  • #77804
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    Sent 6/24/16
    Cashed 6/29/16
    Gunshop called Stamp arrived Today 3/1/17 !!

    Going to get it Saturday!!

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    GOT SOME NEWS FOR YOU
    **Updated transfer tracking already**
    Sent July 1st, 2016
    Pending July 6th, 2016
    APPROVED March 1st, 2017
    IN HAND March 6th, 2017
    Individual form 4.

  • #78021
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    Form 4 Individual
    Bought: 5/5/2016
    Sent: 7/1/2016 (CLEO sign off delay)
    Cashed: 7/7/2016
    Approved: 2/27/2017
    Stamp Received: 3/7/2017
    Updated the tracker!

    Now the long wait for two more bought in Jan 2017… Ugh!

  • #78033
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    My check was cashed September 9 2016. Should I expect my form 4 individual approval around the middle of May? Also are the individual form 4 approvals quicker than the trust ones

    • #78034
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      figure 8-10 months from check cashed date, and it seems individual are going a little faster than trust from what i have seen. trust forms are at 6-12–6-15 range and individual are now into july.

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    Thanks biggdawg!

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    Credit card charged August 1st, 2016. Called today to get my control number and it’s 2017104xxx. All the ones I’ve seen being approved are 2016xxxxxx.

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    So does you having a control # means it’s approved and stamp is on its way?

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    It is still pending. My question is more based on the control number. Why is mine 2017 verse 2016 like all the others.

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    Gemtech trek purchased today. I used the silencer shop kiosk. So it will be interesting to see how things go.

  • #79353
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    Ugh……. Just got done calling. Completed my paperwork back in October of 2016 with my local dealer in AZ but just got notification that the ATF processed payment in March 2017. Wondering who sat on my paperwork so long. So long on my dreams of bringing home my first sbr this year……. Either way, I’m finally pending and have uploaded it to the system.

  • #79585
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    do you guys think my LGS moving will slow things down for me? my form 3 was approved for one address that form 4 was filed for the transfer to be there but now they’ve moved few towns over. please don’t tell me I have to start over

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    Submitted aug 4 2016
    Pending/cc charged aug 5 2016
    Approved may 15 2017
    283 days
    Control# 2017106xxx
    Waiting on stamp
    Form 4 individual. SBR

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    Submitted: 8/4/2017
    Pending: 8/18/2017 (no idea about when the check was cashed)
    Control#: 2017113XXX

    Not approved yet but other control numbers look promising (seen one approved with control# 2017118XXX). We shall see…

  • #80070
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    Allen Engineering AEM5
    Purchased from Oakland Tactical 3/18/2016
    Transferred to my Kansas dealer and received by the dealer on 6/22/16
    Submitted the individual Form 4 to my CLEO on 6/28/16
    Signed by CLEO on 7/6/16
    Received from my CLEO on 7/9/16
    Mailed to BATFE 7/11/16
    Check cashed by BATFE 7/20/16
    Approved 4/24/17
    Stamp received 5/13/17 298 days (9 months and 24 days)
    Total time from date of purchase 422 days (1 year, 1 month and 26 days)

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      Sweet! Are you running this on a Mod clone?

      I ordered my AEM5 from Oakland Tactical as well.

      Brad

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        Yes indeed. Mk12 MOD 1 SPR. Knights stripped lower, gas block and FF RAS. Colt upper, LPK, BCG, buffer tube. Douglas barrel profiled by Compass Lake Engineering. Geissele SSA trigger. Gas buster CH. A.R.M.S #32 throwlever with a Harris bipod.

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    Sweet build littlegto!

    I am also running a Douglas CLE barrel. Mine has Franks match chamber. What are you getting for accuracy? Handloads?

    Mine is shooting decent with my standard load of Rem cases, 24 grains of Reloder 15 under 75 grain Hornady BTHP’s set at mag length. I think it might have a little more accuracy if I work with my load. I’m averaging .625 CTC @ 100.

    Brad

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    I called the ATF today, Im currently waiting on a surefire sps300 with a check cashed date of 09/27/2016 and a pending date of 09/28/2016 they are saying late July is when that approval will be as things are taking around 11 months. Bummer!

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      there are multiple early August approvals reported above, and that was 2 weeks ago so I’m assuming you are more likely to get there by the end of this month rather than July. My approval date trails your by 3.5 weeks and i was told late July.

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        We were also told artificial sweeteners were safe, there were WMD’s in Iraq, and Anna Nicole married for love
        -Mr Nate from Shooter-

        all there is to do is wait i guess

  • #80571
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    Anyone get an approval recently for form 4 individual?

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    I wonder if they just put all resources on pre-41F submissions before moving on to post 41F. Haven’t seen any Individual approvals in a while and the ones that have been approved seem to have been mailed before July 13th (according to the tracker). I’m currently waiting on an Individual Form 4 postmarked Aug. 4th with an Aug. 8th pending date.

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    I haven’t updated the tracker but I mailed my individual form 4 July 25/26. Check cashed aug 3. Approved 5/26/17. I mailed a form 1 and 4 at the same time. Form 1 was approved 5/10 and form 4 5/26. Both approved by what looks like Carrie Fischer

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    I wonder if they just put all resources on pre-41F submissions before moving on to post 41F. Haven’t seen any Individual approvals in a while and the ones that have been approved seem to have been mailed before July 13th (according to the tracker). I’m currently waiting on an Individual Form 4 postmarked Aug. 4th with an Aug. 8th pending date.

    See a few posts above, there are two individuals with Aug submission dates that received approvals a month ago. Given limited amount of individual submissions, I suspect you won’t see as much activity as trusts, but I believe those should be closer towards the end of Aug at this point.

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    Today I called to check status of my Individual Form 1 for the first time.
    Responce Pending.
    Submitted August 16, 2016
    Cashed check “Pending” August 23, 2016
    300 days, still pending

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      Opps, I meant Individual Form 4, not one

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    I talked to the dealer I purchased from and they said they haven’t gotten anything back past July 8 2016 so far. I don’t know if he meant purchase on July 8 or went pending. Either way it’s gonna be while for my November 15th pending date.

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    I thought by now I would have been giving a happy report on my first center fire suppressor. Unfortunately, the dealer made a mistake on my July 2016 ATF form. Everything was sent back to me earlier this year and I had to redo and resubmit everything again.

    I just talked to a very polite lady at the ATF. She told me that your original file date is wiped out and you have to go back to the end of the line and start over again. Guess I will not have a suppressor anytime this year either. Sigh.

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      That sucks! Who was your dealer?

    • #80612
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      yes details plz, wtff

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    I would prefer not to bad mouth my SW PA dealer as he has been good to me for many years on non NFA items. The problem came because they changed the forms literally the day that I purchased, 7/13/16.

    The dealer, for whatever reason, did not know the old form would no longer work. While he sells many different suppressors, his main business is non-NFA firearms.

    I am not pleased at all but my long wait is due to the dealer error and the ATF who did not send my incorrect forms back for 7 months. They were quick to cash the check but nobody caught the obsolete forms. I cannot imagine that I am the only one that this happened to but maybe I am.

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      I also purchased a few days after the deadline. I hope I don’t have any issues since the dealer was also slightly unfamiliar with new method. I really feel for you. I would be so annoyed, I would see if I could cancel the purchase for a refund. It still doesn’t make sense to me. Suppressor manufacturer got paid, the dealer made sale and got paid, and atf cashed there tax stamp and got paid. But we sit and hope they throw us a bone when we make the businesses go round with our money in our pockets that fund all of them. Doesn’t seem right to me but I guess it is what it is.

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    One of my bosses has been waiting nearly 2.5 years. About 15 months in,he found out he was flagged because the dealer he used, sold, and the FFL info changed. Obviously nothing ever got updated so they kicked it back and he started all over again.

    I will never buy another suppressor or build and SBR until ATF changes the rules. No way I am waiting over 12 months to use something I already paid for.

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      I could not agree more. I’m right there with you

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    I see no reason even why there is any wait at all after the first one. They have our prints, pictures, and background checks already on file. We have complied as much a dealer has so why do we have to do it again and again each time?

    At least make the process times reasonable. The wait time should be no more than 30 days. These super long wait times of 90 days or more make no sense. Getting out to nearly a year or beyond is not acceptable. So much time has passed that there are new cans out there by the time we receive ours. Cancelling now doesn’t really get me any closer to the goal so I don’t have any better options and will have to stick it out another 10 months to a year. 🙁

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    I see no reason even why there is any wait at all after the first one. They have our prints, pictures, and background checks already on file. We have complied as much a dealer has so why do we have to do it again and again each time?

    At least make the process times reasonable. The wait time should be no more than 30 days. These super long wait times of 90 days or more make no sense. Getting out to nearly a year or beyond is not acceptable. So much time has passed that there are new cans out there by the time we receive ours. Cancelling now doesn’t really get me any closer to the goal so I don’t have any better options and will have to stick it out another 10 months to a year. 🙁

    There is also the possibility that the dealer might go under while you are waiting to get approved. It is rare but it does happen, especially with smaller outfits. You will have no recourse against the seller if that happens. Your money is gone.

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      This is a real thing, and it’s not just about the retailer or dealer you buy from. I purchased an NFA item from a manufacturer, and because of the governments ridiculous wait times, I wasn’t able to find out that there was a manufacturing flaw until they were already out of business. Now I get to try and fix something that should have been warrantied or refunded if it would have been timely.

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    Form 4 Individual
    Item purchased 6/16/17 (Dead Air Mask HD .22)
    Paperwork sent 6/16/17 (Friday)
    Check cashed 6/20/17 (Tuesday… day after ATF received papers)
    Let the wait begin!!

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